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5/15/2018 1:50 PM  #1


FiTech Problems

A couple of days ago I began having problems with my FiTech FI. I called FiTech yesterday and they asked if I could send them photos of my engine compartment.  They wanted to make sure it was wired correctly.  Have not heard back, so I decided to ask here.
​Here's what I have and what I have found.  Maybe you guys an help.

Symptoms -
Will only start after 10-15 sec of starter time and accellerator pedal about 1/4 depressed.
Often will not idle or if so idles roughly at 500-600 rpm.
Under power it surges at all speeds from 10-70 mph.
Heavy Gasoline smell in  engine compartment and exhaust sometimes blows
smoke when starting.
Air fuel ratio ~ 10-11 at idle going to 11 at speed.  Set at ~13.
Engine codes - P0480 Fan 1 Relay &  P0335 RPM noise
Problem just began 4 days ago after 2 years working just fine..
Idle speed is set at 850

66 Mustang w/5-speed trans
Engine 351W
Ignition - stock with Pertronix 1

Ideas anyone?

 


Original owner - 351w,T-5, 4whl disks, power R&P
 

5/15/2018 3:08 PM  #2


Re: FiTech Problems

A search of the P0335 code shows that it may produce the symptoms you are having.  Noisy tach signals seem to be fairly common with the FiTech systems.  A change in humidity or a change in the position of the tach wire when you did something else, or a loosened connection can cause it to suddenly happen.  If the system does not know the RPM or if the RPM signal is inconsistent the system may/will get confused.  I'd start with the tach signal first and see if that helps.

 

5/15/2018 5:20 PM  #3


Re: FiTech Problems

GP - Thanks for the help.  Where do I find the reasons behind the codes?  That would have been useful.

​I disconnected the tach feed and things improved dramatically.  The codes went away.  But the car still does not want to idle.  Were it a carb, I would say the choke is stuck on.  It runs real rich.  It starts right up and then immediately dies if I do not hit the accelerator pedal and run it up to 2krpm.  If I let it run for a few minutes things smooth out, but it still runs rich.  The AFR goes up to 13 when I rev it up,  but returns to 10 at idle.  Does the computer need to relearn its programming?

​In all my years driving it, I have never had any trouble.  Put in the hi tech stuff, and everything goes to hell.  A few months ago it died about 5 miles from nowhere.  It got towed for the first time in its life. - clogged fuel filter w/new gas tank.  Now this.  And I discovered that the monitor is always on.  It will run the battery down if I do not unplug it.


Original owner - 351w,T-5, 4whl disks, power R&P
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5/15/2018 5:57 PM  #4


Re: FiTech Problems

I just did a google search on "fitech P0335 RPM noise" and it showed links to FiTech as well as a lot of other threads where people had this issue and what they did to solve them.  I don't think it will run right if it doesn't know engine speed.  I don't have one but keep considering this an option for my 1970 F250 as we intend to travel the US after retirement.  It seems like these systems work pretty well - until they don't.

 

5/15/2018 9:01 PM  #5


Re: FiTech Problems

Thanks, again.  It did not even dawn on me to google it.  I must expand what I ask of google.

Last edited by lowercasesteve (5/15/2018 9:03 PM)


Original owner - 351w,T-5, 4whl disks, power R&P
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5/16/2018 8:48 AM  #6


Re: FiTech Problems

I haven't put a lot of miles on mine but no issues so far.  Had if for 2 years now.   I wonder if its a computer problem.  Mine seemed to a power draw to.  I put a switch in my trunk at the main power that I could shut it off when sitting.  Steve69

 

5/16/2018 9:24 AM  #7


Re: FiTech Problems

It's normal for the display to drain battery.  Either unplug handheld ,use a battery tender or disconnect battery.

 

 

5/24/2018 6:44 PM  #8


Re: FiTech Problems

I got it fixed - I think.

After your good advice and several calls to FiTech, I discovered I had a stuck injector.  Stuck open, that is.  Replaced it and everything runs great.  It seems better than before.  Started up immediately and runs smoothly at 850 rpm.  Air fuel is right at 13.5.  

While working on it I thought the gas gauge  was going down rather rapidly, but I didn't really think about it since the stuck injector was pouring gas into the venturie.  After starting it, I took a short drive down to the end of the street.  Round trip is about a mile.  On the way back I noticed smoke coming out the back.  Got to the garage and huge clouds of light colored smoke were coming out of both tail pipes.  So much that I am not about to drive it on the street.  During the drive the gauge appeared to go down a little.  An over rich condition can cause it, but the engine is running very good.  Maybe even more power than before.  It's after 5, so everyone is closed.  Maybe you guys can continue to help me with this.  I have not done any fuel tuning since I rebuilt the Stromberg's on my 40 Ford.

Last edited by lowercasesteve (5/24/2018 6:48 PM)


Original owner - 351w,T-5, 4whl disks, power R&P
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5/24/2018 6:57 PM  #9


Re: FiTech Problems

also check oil for gas contamination.  Might not be a issue with injectors stuck open but sounds like gas was going somewhere.
 

 

5/25/2018 2:58 AM  #10


Re: FiTech Problems

AFR of 10 during idle is extremely rich. A good cruising / idling afr is right around 14, while WOT should be around 11-12. I would do as Don says and check your oil for contamination. Hard to say what the smoke is without seeing it in person.

 

5/25/2018 7:32 AM  #11


Re: FiTech Problems

Change the oil for sure!  Its probably a lot of gas in the oil and thinned it out.

Steve69

 

5/25/2018 7:42 AM  #12


Re: FiTech Problems

If you don't mind me asking... What are your thoughts on these type of systems? I still have the standard Autolite 4100 (great carb by the way) and as soon as that starts giving me grief or is in need of a rebuild, I am converting to EFI. I am curious as to how you are finding it.
Thanks.


1964-1/2 D Code Coupe - 289 V8, 4 Speed Toploader, 3.00 ratio rear, Autolite 4100 Carb, 15" tires, Pertronix ignition
 

5/25/2018 7:20 PM  #13


Re: FiTech Problems

Stevo wrote:

If you don't mind me asking... What are your thoughts on these type of systems? I still have the standard Autolite 4100 (great carb by the way) and as soon as that starts giving me grief or is in need of a rebuild, I am converting to EFI. I am curious as to how you are finding it.
Thanks.

  I have the same system as lowercasesteve.   I turned on main power switch.  Turned the key to prime pump and it fired right up.  I hadn't ran my car since last July.  Pulled out of the garage.  Took it out for a 20 minute drive no hesitation cold and it just ran great.  Now I hear a lot of negatives about Fitech and there customer service.  I'm just crossing my fingers I have no problems.  Steve69
 

Last edited by Steve69 (5/25/2018 7:27 PM)

 

5/28/2018 3:32 PM  #14


Re: FiTech Problems

Changed out the oil and filter.  Lots of gas in the oil.  Where did that come from?  could the rings have been compromised from gas pollution?

Car started right up and ran with no smoke.  Idles right at 850 rpm.  Runs smoothly, but there still lingers some gas smell out of the dip stick.  Probably left over from before.  I think I will run it a few more miles and change the oil again, just to be safe.

Thanks for your help - all.


Original owner - 351w,T-5, 4whl disks, power R&P
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5/29/2018 2:11 AM  #15


Re: FiTech Problems

Steve69 wrote:

Stevo wrote:

If you don't mind me asking... What are your thoughts on these type of systems? I still have the standard Autolite 4100 (great carb by the way) and as soon as that starts giving me grief or is in need of a rebuild, I am converting to EFI. I am curious as to how you are finding it.
Thanks.

  I have the same system as lowercasesteve.   I turned on main power switch.  Turned the key to prime pump and it fired right up.  I hadn't ran my car since last July.  Pulled out of the garage.  Took it out for a 20 minute drive no hesitation cold and it just ran great.  Now I hear a lot of negatives about Fitech and there customer service.  I'm just crossing my fingers I have no problems.  Steve69
 

Thanks for sharing your experience. I hope it goes well for you too. As soon as the carb on my car is showing signs of needing to go out to pasture, I am definitely going EFI. These conversations help a lot


1964-1/2 D Code Coupe - 289 V8, 4 Speed Toploader, 3.00 ratio rear, Autolite 4100 Carb, 15" tires, Pertronix ignition
 

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