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8/18/2018 7:21 AM  #1


Is this how my new eccentric is suppose to look?

Im test fitting some parts before I assemble. The pin will not work in the kit because the eccentric has indentation that goes in where the pin goes.  They do have a pin in the kits so it makes me wonder if its right or not.

Thanks
Steve69

 

8/18/2018 8:47 AM  #2


Re: Is this how my new eccentric is suppose to look?

The pin goes in the end of the cam shaft and the eccentric bolts to the cam with the indentation over the pin.


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8/18/2018 11:26 AM  #3


Re: Is this how my new eccentric is suppose to look?

Yep!! What the "pony man" sez.^
IF the pin ain't long enough I used a cut down grade 8 bolt as an excellent substitute.
Jus say'in
6sal6


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8/18/2018 1:00 PM  #4


Re: Is this how my new eccentric is suppose to look?

Ok I took the old cam sprocket off and there was a pin in there.  When I stuck my new pin in there it only went in a little ways because the old one was still in there.  So when I added my new sprocket, new pin it all seemed to fit nicely.  I still have the old oem camshaft in there.  Seemed like there was a spring in the camshaft hole where the pin goes in.  It would push in and out.  Does the spring have to come out and install in the new camshaft?   Is the outer 2 piece of the eccentric suppose to spin freely?   Thanks Steve69

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8/18/2018 1:24 PM  #5


Re: Is this how my new eccentric is suppose to look?

Is that the correct cam sprocket bolt? All of my oem and arp bolts are at least grade 8.


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

8/18/2018 5:35 PM  #6


Re: Is this how my new eccentric is suppose to look?

Me thanks that bolt has a "special"(like me!) head on it that is thinner than regular bolt heads.
Can't remember the torque specs butt.......although its tight.....not so tight a grade 8 might be required.?!
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8/18/2018 8:46 PM  #7


Re: Is this how my new eccentric is suppose to look?

That is a grade 5 bolt, made in Canada. It is specific to the application and is plenty strong.

 

8/20/2018 12:02 AM  #8


Re: Is this how my new eccentric is suppose to look?

Make sure that is a thick, hardened steel washer under that bolt head. If it isn't you'll  get this:
http://fyi.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?id=4036  Go to post #25 for the pictures. The shop that put the engine together made good on replacement parts for free due to their screw up.


68 coupe - 351W, 4R70W, 9" 3.25 -- 65 convertible - 289 4v, C4, 8" 3.00
 

8/20/2018 5:33 AM  #9


Re: Is this how my new eccentric is suppose to look?

There were two length pins used by Ford, one for engines with a fuel pump eccentric (long), one for those without (short).  The short pin is 1.125".  I think the long pin is 1.250".

The factory bolt head is not much thinner than a standard parts store bolt.  Maybe a tiny amount, but nothing to worry about. 

The washer that comes with the ARP cam bolt is too thin.  Using it can allow the bolt to bottom before it tightens to the cam sprocket, and disaster can ensue.  I've always just reused the stock washer.  I keep a drawer of little stuff like that (crank keys, balancer bolts, cam plates, etc.).  Its always hard to track down, and has come in handy many times.

Be sure to use Locktite (red) on the cam bolt and cam retainer bolts.  Torque on the cam bolt is 40 lbs/ft., and 10 lbs/ft. on the retainer.  Make sure all the threads are clean and dry before applying Locktite.  Oil on the threads will keep it from doing its job. 

There's a lot of talk on the net about failures caused by bolts loosening, the dowel pin bending or shearing, etc.  I don't think its near as common as they claim.  If it was people would be marketing a "fix" for it.  Like everything else, take your time and use proper assembly techniques and you'll have hundreds of thousands of trouble free miles. 

Last edited by TKOPerformance (8/20/2018 6:28 PM)

 

8/20/2018 6:16 PM  #10


Re: Is this how my new eccentric is suppose to look?

Thanks for all the info Guys!  Steve69

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8/20/2018 6:33 PM  #11


Re: Is this how my new eccentric is suppose to look?

Yuuuuup, I did the same thing on my 79 Buick. I overhauled the engine and sent my wife and kids to AZ from Dallas. The car quit on I-10 east of El Paso. My father in law wasn't very happy with me.


70, ragtop 351W/416 stroker Edel Performer heads w pro flow 4, Comp roller 35-421-8. T5
 

8/23/2018 5:20 AM  #12


Re: Is this how my new eccentric is suppose to look?

A few years ago I did a write up on my GT40P swap. Post #12 was about fuel pump eccentrics, timing chain sets and dowels and what works with what. So many people will tell you that you can’t use a double roller chain set up with older covers from 65 to 69 because they will rub. The issue is they are running the wrong combination of timing chain and fuel pump eccentric. Sorry I don’t know what’s going on with the photo links

https://forums.vintage-mustang.com/vintage-mustang-forum/1012953-got-my-gt40p-up-running-my-66-a.html


I'm not a complete idiot.....pieces are missing. Tom
 

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