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1/24/2021 10:36 PM  #1


fly wheel 160 tooth?

I pulled the t10 out of my 64 falcon, the engine is a 74 302W. so I pulled the fly wheel counted the teeth 160. I have never heard of that number of teeth on any ford standard fly wheel. yes it is a ford part, c3oe-6308b  with a little tag to the side that reads 5d5. I counted the teeth 4 times may be 5 times. still don't believe it.
so now I will need to replace the fly wheel with 157 tooth 28 oz balance. where would you try to acquire one? I am going to research this part number anyone else feel free to chime in.
 

 

1/24/2021 11:05 PM  #2


Re: fly wheel 160 tooth?

Try rockauto.
For grins, I looked up a flywheel for a 74 maverick
with a 302. A 157 tooth flywheel, 10" clutch disk, with the emblance you need cost about 91 chickens....

 

1/25/2021 5:00 AM  #3


Re: fly wheel 160 tooth?

I had a 160t flywheel on my 66.    I understand that a change to 157 was made to accommodate a 
starter pinion change.    Val, were you having starter to flywheel mesh issues?   No need to change
the ring gear if you weren't having issues with starting.

 

1/25/2021 6:06 AM  #4


Re: fly wheel 160 tooth?

Worth noting that the number on it predates the mustang.  C3 pegs it as a part originally made in '63.

I would advise just getting 157 tooth flywheel with 28oz. imbalance drilled for a 10.5" clutch.  This is the easiest/simplest route to your T5 swap.  This is the one I run on my 331:

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/fms-m-6375-a302b

 

1/25/2021 6:12 AM  #5


Re: fly wheel 160 tooth?

My 65’s original 289/c4 combo had 160 tooth flexplate.
When I replaced with a TCI c4, I purchased a TCI 157 tooth flexplate.

My original did have some ground down teeth.
It was working fine, just didn’t want to pull it apart again to replace if a tooth or two failed.
I did have starter engagements a long time ago due to starter, battery, alternator issues many years ago.

I probably counted it 10 times or more.

 

1/25/2021 10:49 AM  #6


Re: fly wheel 160 tooth?

Yup, 160. During my recent search for a Henry made flywheel I counted 160 teeth on one. Wtfresno? 157 and 164 for Windsor motors was all I'd ever heard about. Counted it 2 more times to confirm.


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

1/25/2021 12:29 PM  #7


Re: fly wheel 160 tooth?

Used the 'original' wheel outta my 66(289/3 sp tranny) on my 5.0/T-5 set-up. Had the ring gear replaced a looong time ago. 10" clutch/press. plate . Works like a light weight flywheel.  NOW......I did have the whole assembly balanced when building the engine so.......
Whichever way you go I would have the assembly balanced(cheap when you weigh the benefits....see how I worked that?? weigh....balanced assembly...get it?!!
6sally6)


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1/25/2021 4:13 PM  #8


Re: fly wheel 160 tooth?

The thing that would worry me is whether or not the 160 toother would fit in the T5 bell.  There isn't much clearance in there for the 157. 

 

1/25/2021 4:29 PM  #9


Re: fly wheel 160 tooth?

TKOPerformance wrote:

The thing that would worry me is whether or not the 160 toother would fit in the T5 bell.  There isn't much clearance in there for the 157. 

Good point!
6s6 


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1/28/2021 9:38 AM  #10


Re: fly wheel 160 tooth?

To my knowledge the 160 tooth flywheel was being used on Hi-Po 289's, and maybe other applications.
The Lakewood scattershield I purchased back in early 70's came with two starter upper bolt positions to accommodate both the 157 and 160 tooth flywheels. 
I always wondered why Ford had both when both a 10.5" and 11" clutch plate fit both flywheels ... maybe for the additional weight (?)


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

1/28/2021 9:28 PM  #11


Re: fly wheel 160 tooth?

The small diameter flywheel/flexplate originally had 160 teeth but they were prone to breaking so Ford reduced the number of teeth to 157 and made the teeth slightly larger. They are fully interchangeable with each other.
The large diameter flywheel/flexplate has 164 teeth. It is not interchangeable with the 157/160 tooth flywheel/flexplate.
 

 

1/29/2021 5:38 AM  #12


Re: fly wheel 160 tooth?

Texas! wrote:

The small diameter flywheel/flexplate originally had 160 teeth but they were prone to breaking so Ford reduced the number of teeth to 157 and made the teeth slightly larger. They are fully interchangeable with each other.
The large diameter flywheel/flexplate has 164 teeth. It is not interchangeable with the 157/160 tooth flywheel/flexplate.
 

So the diameter is the same then?  What about starters?

 

1/29/2021 7:38 AM  #13


Re: fly wheel 160 tooth?

in my case I have both starters the one that came out of the t10 and the one that came out of the 89 t5. it is my understanding since I am going to put in the T5 bell housing the t5 starter should work and if it doesn't I may have to go to the automatic starter, which makes no sense  to me but i'll do what I have to do.
 

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1/29/2021 10:05 AM  #14


Re: fly wheel 160 tooth?

TKOPerformance wrote:

Texas! wrote:

The small diameter flywheel/flexplate originally had 160 teeth but they were prone to breaking so Ford reduced the number of teeth to 157 and made the teeth slightly larger. They are fully interchangeable with each other.
The large diameter flywheel/flexplate has 164 teeth. It is not interchangeable with the 157/160 tooth flywheel/flexplate.
 

So the diameter is the same then?  What about starters?

The 157 & 160 tooth manual transmission flywheels used back in the 60's/70's were different diameters, hence the two mounting locations on the scattershield I purchased.  The starters were the same.  When I purchased the scattershield, I also purchased the block plate.  Unfortunately, the block plate I got was for the 157 tooth flywheel and the starter drive gear hit the flywheel and did not engage the flywheel teeth.  Fortunately, the engine was on an engine stand and not in the car yet, so changing to the correct block plate was easier. 
This is "vintage" information, I do not know if things changed through the years after the 70's.
 


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

1/29/2021 2:28 PM  #15


Re: fly wheel 160 tooth?

TKOPerformance wrote:

Texas! wrote:

The small diameter flywheel/flexplate originally had 160 teeth but they were prone to breaking so Ford reduced the number of teeth to 157 and made the teeth slightly larger. They are fully interchangeable with each other.
The large diameter flywheel/flexplate has 164 teeth. It is not interchangeable with the 157/160 tooth flywheel/flexplate.
 

So the diameter is the same then?  What about starters?

The 157/160 tooth flywheel/flexplate is about 13.25" diameter. The 164 tooth flywheel is about 14.25" diameter. The 157/160 tooth flywheel and flexplate both use the so called "automatic" starter. The 164 tooth flywheel uses the so called "manual" starter. The 164 tooth flexplate uses the "automatic" starter.
The "automatic" starter has the long nose cone and the drive gear is mostly exposed when looking at the starter from the side. The "manual" starter has the short nose cone and the drive gear is not visible from the side.
I have an original 13.25" C3OE 160 tooth flywheel that was on my 289. I have a 14.25" C6AE 164 tooth flywheel on my 302.
 

Last edited by Texas! (1/29/2021 2:56 PM)

 

1/29/2021 10:16 PM  #16


Re: fly wheel 160 tooth?

so I am only guessing here, but here goes. while bolting the t5 bell housing to the 74, 302w block, and adding the t5. a new fly wheel which has two weights that can be bolted on depending on what balance your application has 28 oz or 50oz which in my case is the 28oz., is what i'm doing.  I can later put the 89, 5.0 in my car and that same fly wheel will work just by changing the bolt on weight balance. since it is 157 tooth (lightened fly wheel) and again it's going in the t5 bell housing I should be able to use the 89 manual starter.

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1/31/2021 4:26 AM  #17


Re: fly wheel 160 tooth?

Texas! has it right.  I swapped the 160t ring gear for the 157t one, same flywheel, no problem.  Used the 
same starter, too.

 

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