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4/12/2013 2:25 PM  #1


1966 coupe headliner

I am looking to get the head liner replaced in my 66 coupe.  The estimates that I have gotten seem pretty high, like $700.00. What is a reasonable rate to have the head liner replaced in a car like this? Thanks for any imput.

 

4/12/2013 3:12 PM  #2


Re: 1966 coupe headliner

I paid around $250 for the installation in my '66 coupe.  I guess it really depends where you go.  I'm sure many won't want to do it and give a high number. 
Many on here will tell you to try to do it yourself, with a helper.

 

4/12/2013 8:00 PM  #3


Re: 1966 coupe headliner

Why not do it yourself?  No one, I mean NO ONE will take the time required to do it right the way it should be done, exceot YOU.  In order to do it RIGHT you have to remove the front and rear windows.
You can shortcut the job and just tuck the fabric up inside the rubber gasket, but it won't be right.

It is not hard work and you do not have to have any special talents.  You just have to have TIME to do it.


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

4/12/2013 8:24 PM  #4


Re: 1966 coupe headliner

MustangSteve wrote:

Why not do it yourself?  No one, I mean NO ONE will take the time required to do it right the way it should be done, exceot YOU.  In order to do it RIGHT you have to remove the front and rear windows.
You can shortcut the job and just tuck the fabric up inside the rubber gasket, but it won't be right.

It is not hard work and you do not have to have any special talents.  You just have to have TIME to do it.

 The time I spent doing mine was definately worth $700.00. It turned out great, so that made it worth the effort! I also learned a lot about removing and installing front and back glass which I have had to do a couple of times since! Oh yea, the big talent required is patience!

 

4/13/2013 7:40 AM  #5


Re: 1966 coupe headliner

Doing it myself was kind of my idea. This is a Father/son project that my son drives. We have rebuilt /replaced the engine, trans and did the disc brake conversion and I think he is tired of the car being down so much. We are pretty good but also slow. Thanks for the replys.

     Thread Starter
 

4/13/2013 9:11 AM  #6


Re: 1966 coupe headliner

When you get to doing it; Lot's of folks will tell you to us clothes pins to hold it in position as you install. I much prefer re-using old windlace, cut into 2-5 in wide sections. That and a nice sunny day to relax the headliner boxing creases.

Tubo


If it ain't broke, I haven't modified it Yet
 

4/13/2013 11:33 AM  #7


Re: 1966 coupe headliner

A box of those spring type paper clips in the large size is a good way to do it.  With the little lever handles they have, it is easier to position and reposition.  Clothes pins do not really have enough clamping force.


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

4/13/2013 1:43 PM  #8


Re: 1966 coupe headliner

I chime in with windlace. It works great.

Little tip if you have not removed glass before. If you think it is due for rubber replacement or it has never been out, plan on replacing the rubber window gaskets. They are really cheap.

If you plan to replace the gaskets, rather than risk breaking the glass when removing it, cut the outer lip of the gasket off with a sharp knife first. This will expose the glass on the outside and it should pop out of the gasket easily with a little push from the inside. Once the window is out, you then just peel the gasket off the frame.

This is much easier then trying to unhook the gasket from inside and push the glass and gasket out of the opening together. The bonus is it also reduces the risk of breakage to almost nothing. A new gasket is cheap insurance.

 

4/13/2013 3:31 PM  #9


Re: 1966 coupe headliner

Use only SCOTT DRAKE window seals.  The rest are garbage compared to those.


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

4/14/2013 9:16 AM  #10


Re: 1966 coupe headliner

From a shop's point of view, this is why it is so expensive:

First, skill and knowledge...one in 20 shops will even know how to do it

Second:  To do the job professionally and correctly, both front and back glass will have to be pulled.  Shops do not reuse gaskets.  It's too tricky to get the windows out of them without breaking and most owners have put pounds of silicone or other goop on them to make them stop leaking, so new gaskets are a must.  Again..skill and knowledge.  Most modern 'glass guys' will not touch the classics.  The shop owner has to sub-contract a classic glass guy or know how to do it himself **AND MAKE THE WINDOW LEAK FREE**  because the customer expects the window not to leak...and then find all the screw holes for that dang piece of trim between the window and the dash!  Gosh I hate that job...

The headliner has to be trimmed to fit...and trimmed close.  One slip and you get to buy a new one!

Finally, Speed.  The shop can do it in two or three days, wheras you have only evenings and weekends to work on it.  So you pay for the convenience of having someone else assume all the liability for the glass and materials and deliver to you a professional, near perfect product ....and your glass no longer leaks!

That all said, there really is no reason you can't do it yourself if you can have the car out of commission for a week (per the MS rule...read TWO weeks)  Use TONS of old windlace squeezed really tight and don't glue anything until it's properly in place...don't trim excess until it's all glued. The quarter part of the liner by the package tray has a place with metal tangs where you are supposed to wind the liner around two pieces of chipboard (?) to make the quarter tight.  I use paint sticks trimmed to fit..and leave all the screws in the hard to find coat hook holes and visor holes and you can poke them through from the finished side..otherwise finding the holes is difficult.  Don't use spray glue!!  Glue, and replace used bits of windlace..let dry and put it all back together.  Reinstall the windows with new gaskets and reseal against leaking (another topic for another thread)

Oh..and keep MS on speed dial....


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4/14/2013 9:48 AM  #11


Re: 1966 coupe headliner

I didn't do the headliner on my 65, but the person that did it laid it out it out on saw-horses (or something equivelent) with some light weights on the ends and used a hair dryer to get the wrinkles out (from being folded up in the shipping box), and to generally stretch it out a bit to make a tight fit when installed.
He didn't mark the screw holes for visors or coat hooks and it was a pain to find them (actually the coat hooks are still not installed) so I strongly advise to mark these as Deb's post suggests.


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

4/14/2013 2:00 PM  #12


Re: 1966 coupe headliner

Very good explanation from Deb. When I did the liner on my 68, I also recall that there were two short lengths of wire with hooks at either end that hook into holes at the top of the rear window cutout and around the aft hanger rod. The wire sets the proper location for the hanger rod so that all the other rods will have the correct location when the liner is stretched to fit. There were also two holes in the upper roof stringers (longerons, rails, outboard roof support channels??) that control how tight the rods will bow when the liner is stretched. You should also know that the rods are different lengths too. (I think mine were color coded).

Just take your time, stretch and fit before you glue, use lots of clamps. I used a hair dryer to help when stretching the liner into place and to get rid of wrinkles. I used some 3M contact cement and a small acid brush to apply the glue. Just follow Deb's instructions and you can do as good a job as most shops will do.


68 coupe - 351W, 4R70W, 9" 3.25 -- 65 convertible - 289 4v, C4, 8" 3.00
 

4/16/2013 11:07 AM  #13


Re: 1966 coupe headliner

Scott don't know if you want to keep the stock look. I was poking aroung CJ Pony Parts they are now selling a one piece molded head liner for a 66. Its made by TMI, says it can be installed without removing windows or gluing it in.Sounds like a lot easier install. Price was $300. I'm sure others that sell TMI products could order the same thing. Just thought it may be worth mentioning.


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6/01/2013 10:21 AM  #14


Re: 1966 coupe headliner

Good thread!
A quick question with regards to the wires that hold the bow in place, is it better to start from the rear then move forward or does it matter? 
Thanks

 

6/01/2013 3:10 PM  #15


Re: 1966 coupe headliner

I was going to do mine but ended up paying someone $225 and he did it in my garage (cost me extra for the housecall).  I had already installed it on the bows and had put in the headliner installation.  I even bought a bunch of little spring clamps and stretched it out. The guy came over, took one look at my clamps and chuckled.  He then proceeded to remove all the clips, cut some material from the bow keepers, sprayed some glue and waited, sprayed some more glue and waited, then stretched and stuck it in place.  He made some adjustments to stretch out any wrinkles, worked his way around until he had all the wrinkles out. Then he installed the windlace on the door jambs.  He was in my garage for about an hour and it only took that long because I kept interupting asking him questiions. He even found the screw holes through the liner material (didn't need to insall the screws for him).

Now to be fair this was a 65 FB and coupes are harder I am sure.  But for me, it was worth the money I spent.

 

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