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    2/18/2021 10:48 PM  #1

    Cab4word67
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    One year ago I installed a new timing set and this was my first FORD. At 135K the motor ran good just leaked, but the chain was shot and had a plastic gear and all. So i pulled the pan, valve covers and replace the gaskets. Motor was very clean no metal in the pan, good deal. I installed the new parts and 1 month later a few hundred miles the fuel pump centric came off. I wrote it off as no loctite. Made the needed repairs and drove to Montana and back, about 1500 miles. Car ran great no oil leaks. Got home and decided that because of Covid I would rebuild motor. Well thats where it gets interesting. While draining the oil, the new magnetic drain plug had a lot of metal on it so I decided we had just lost a bearing or two and it was finily time to rebuild, but they didn't look that bad.
    Got the new motor back today from the shop and installed the new cam, the cam plate and for shits and giggles we installed the cam gear just to see how smooth it turned. Glad I did. as I said this is my first ford and I have now learned that there are diferent timing sets listed for 65 289s or the gear was wrong that I had ordered from RA listing. I had lost the fuel pump centric because the gear didn't have the spacer casted on the back to fit the cam, and I had tighten the gear up against the cam plate and pulled the cam into the cam plate. then it came loose after a few miles.  Then after adding loctite I drove the car 1500 miles to Montana and back finding out today that it had ground into the cam keeper and cam. That thing had to have been so tight i dont know how it ever spun. Anyway found where the metal had come from today. I got a new correct gear, roller set and a new cam plate for the new motor. 
    Lesson learned. And got lucky on my trip. 

    Last edited by Cab4word67 (2/18/2021 11:20 PM)

    Slammed Big Blue, ran over the varmints that messed with the Stang. Now all is good in the NW
     

    2/19/2021 6:57 AM  #2

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    Obviously replace that cam plate.  This is one reason I always check the endplay on the cam as well.  Flat tappet cams tend to stay put better as they have an imperceptible taper ground into them biasing them towards the rear of the engine.  Roller cams don't have this though, so any engine with a roller needs positive cam retention.  Fords are easy because they've always used a cam plate.  Chevys did not use one until they switched to roller cams, so when retrofitting you have to use a special timing cover & thrust button or some other means to prevent cam walk. 

     

    2/19/2021 9:19 AM  #3

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    The proper procedure to check retainer plate thickness is to place it between the cam and sprocket, torqued to spec, BEFORE placing the cam in the block. The retainer plate should then be able to spin freely with about 0.001” clearance.

    Since you are inexperienced with Ford engines, it might be wise to post pics of your retainer, the bolts (3 of them) the washers, the sprocket, the dowel and the eccentric you will be using. There are some real opportunities to screw up if wrong sprocket, dowel and eccentric are mixed up.

    Any way you can downsize your photos before posting?  On my phone, all I can ever see is one tiny corner of your pictures on my phone.  Since my computer died, my phone is my only way to look at the forum now.

    Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
     

    2/19/2021 6:14 PM  #4

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    My problem wasn't a spacer, it was the wrong washer under the cam bolt that was too soft. Concaved the washer and the stationary eccentric allowing the free floating eccentric to wobble and wear into my timing cover. The engine shop that assembled it made it right.

    68 coupe - 351W, 4R70W, 9" 3.25 -- 65 convertible - 289 4v, C4, 8" 3.00
     

    2/19/2021 6:26 PM  #5

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    Well - my first image worked great. I uploaded it and it automatically  showed up in this window (the URL script, not the picture). I typed in some remarks and previewed it and them submitted it. It worked fine. Tried the same thing using the "post reply" window, not the quick reply one. Uploaded another picture and no joy - it didn't work as before. What gives???

    68 coupe - 351W, 4R70W, 9" 3.25 -- 65 convertible - 289 4v, C4, 8" 3.00
     

    2/19/2021 11:26 PM  #6

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    Yes Ron,  I see where something is going on with the pics because they are much larger than before too.

    Slammed Big Blue, ran over the varmints that messed with the Stang. Now all is good in the NW
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    2/19/2021 11:29 PM  #7

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    MS wrote:

    The proper procedure to check retainer plate thickness is to place it between the cam and sprocket, torqued to spec, BEFORE placing the cam in the block. The retainer plate should then be able to spin freely with about 0.001” clearance.

    Since you are inexperienced with Ford engines, it might be wise to post pics of your retainer, the bolts (3 of them) the washers, the sprocket, the dowel and the eccentric you will be using. There are some real opportunities to screw up if wrong sprocket, dowel and eccentric are mixed up.

    Any way you can downsize your photos before posting? On my phone, all I can ever see is one tiny corner of your pictures on my phone. Since my computer died, my phone is my only way to look at the forum now.

    Thanks MS, I am using all the stock parts from my motor. I got a replacement retainer and the correct gear. All is good now.
     

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    2/22/2021 7:14 PM  #8

    Cab4word67
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    What really amazes me is that the motor turned over and ran. Maybe its the synthetic oil?
    Chris

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