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2/23/2021 12:04 PM  #26


Re: Failures and what I've learned from them....

boss347convertible wrote:

Bullet Bob wrote:

We were on the road from LA to 'Vegas back in '78.  Going on our annual trip to visit Ed Winfield...only model T's and A's with Winfield equipment allowed.  Running north on I-15 in the Speedster at about 65.  The engine had a little vibration that started that morning  but was only real noticeable close to three thousand... we're talking a Model "B" with a Riley Four Port head. 
Anyway, it didn't seem to be getting any worse so why worry, right?   About 20 miles south of Vegas, completely without warning, it chucked the No. 3 rod cap.  Needless to say it went downhill from there.  I'm glad I had seat belts in that car 'cause Jean would have gone over the side.  Kong jumped on the CB and says, "hey Evans, you're leaving parts in the road back here."  No kidding!.
The only things that weren't ruined were the head and carbs (thank God, those were pretty rare even back then), side plate over the valve box, water pump, and water inlet, and flywheel.  Block, crank rods, pistons, pan, cam, lifters were all junk.
Those old engines had provisions for cotter pins on the rod bolts.  Seems I must have missed one on the No. 3 rod. 

You just can't check this stuff too much. 
 

Excellent story, We are driving the Model T's from Orange County to Death Valley and back. I am building two T engines and transmissions, one specifically for touring as I have replaced the number one and two rods in the engine presently in the car and number three and four are making some noise. Not surprising considering the engine still has the original cast pistons with quarter inch rings. I know at least one guy that is using nylocks on the rod bolts and has racked up several thousand miles on them with no issues. I may do the same as I have a 3 dip pan and installing cotter pins on the fourth rod bolts can be challenging. Thanks for sharing your story.

It's really good to hear that there are others on here that are also into the early stuff.  I sold that car in '91 and have not been involved in early iron since, though I keep looking at Model A's on BAT. The car is presently owned by Rick McIntosh (ex of Mac's Antique Auto Parts) and I was able to visit it and take it for a short ride/drive on my birthday in August  2018 at his home in Lockport, NY.  He's a very nice guy and loves the car...finished 1st Sportsman and 9th Overall in the Great Race in July of that year.  I hand built the car from Oct, '72 to Aug, '74 so it's great to know it's still being used and enjoyed. 
Post a picture of your T-Bone.  I'd love to see it and if I can make the photo gods on this forum work I'll post a shot of the Speedster.


"you get what you pay for, good work isn't cheap, and there are NO free lunches...PERIOD!"
 

2/23/2021 2:36 PM  #27


Re: Failures and what I've learned from them....

I've got an '18 TT.  Restored back to stock.  My grandfather used to run it in parades.  It mostly just sits.  Maybe this is the year I finally look seriously at selling it...

 

2/23/2021 2:58 PM  #28


Re: Failures and what I've learned from them....

6sally6 wrote:

red351 wrote:

.......and looking at a round up punch in the hood about where the air cleaner is....

Gaaaaaaaaaaaa!! Me too!! Don't cha just hate that?!
6s6
 

I did that too! Made me drink more beer.


Gary Zilik - Pine Junction, Colorado - 67 Coupe, 289-4V, T5
 

2/23/2021 5:21 PM  #29


Re: Failures and what I've learned from them....

RV6 wrote:

Then there was the time I trashed my T5 in short order. I wanted to swap the 8 tooth speedo drive gear for a 6 tooth one. My bud came over and we dropped the tranny, pulled the rear housing, installed the gear, put the rear housing back on and stuffed the tranny back in the car. Time for the test drive.
Out the garage, bang gears down the street, hit Hwy 285 south and head to the turnaround point. All was well and I swapped seats with my bud so he could drive back. Success in the making.
Now it's dinner time and that's when it hit me. F*#@k, we forgot to fill the tranny with fluid. Ten simple miles without a full case of fluid trashed the bearings. 
Moral of the story: Don't drink beer and work on cars.

Reminds me of how I bought a 65 fastback REAL CHEAP sitting on the side of the road...
I had agreed to buy the fastback from a guy in Georgia.  He was coming to Texas to visit relatives and agreed to tow-dolly the car to a city about fifty miles away.  I was to meet him at a restaurant.  The car was driveble so I brought a friend to get it home.  We waited and waited as the time to meet came and passed.  Pre-cell-phone era, so no communication.  He finally drove up in a pickup truck and said the car was stuck down the road a ways.  He said the tranny had locked up.  Turns out, he had taken it off the tow dolly, reinstalled the drive shaft and then decided to blast down the highway in his LAST HURRAH.  It also turns out the tranny had drained all the fluid out of the tailshaft as the car was being dollied across the country.  The T5 in it was fried.  I bought the car for $2,000 less than the original offer.  I still have that fried input shaft from that tranny.  Makes a great clutch alignment tool.  There was nothing in that transmission that resembled bearings when it was disassembled.  Only black, burned places...
 


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

2/23/2021 5:26 PM  #30


Re: Failures and what I've learned from them....

It was a slow day back in 74 when my uncle asked the six of us cousins to change the oil in a brand new twin. We were also washing it and got to talking about the last nights ball game before putting the fresh oil in. That was my first engines rebuild and led to the start of my career as an A&P.   

Nylocks are frowned on in the aircraft engine compartment.


70, ragtop 351W/416 stroker Edel Performer heads w pro flow 4, Comp roller 35-421-8. T5
 

2/24/2021 8:01 AM  #31


Re: Failures and what I've learned from them....

my retired pastor was on a road trip, his car started over heating, he pulled into a convenience store and opened the hood. as he opened it the top radiator hose blew up burning his face. spent several days in the hospital. his wife ran into the store and got a bad of ice and put it on his face.

 

2/24/2021 9:01 AM  #32


Re: Failures and what I've learned from them....

Bullet Bob wrote:

boss347convertible wrote:

Bullet Bob wrote:

We were on the road from LA to 'Vegas back in '78.  Going on our annual trip to visit Ed Winfield...only model T's and A's with Winfield equipment allowed.  Running north on I-15 in the Speedster at about 65.  The engine had a little vibration that started that morning  but was only real noticeable close to three thousand... we're talking a Model "B" with a Riley Four Port head. 
Anyway, it didn't seem to be getting any worse so why worry, right?   About 20 miles south of Vegas, completely without warning, it chucked the No. 3 rod cap.  Needless to say it went downhill from there.  I'm glad I had seat belts in that car 'cause Jean would have gone over the side.  Kong jumped on the CB and says, "hey Evans, you're leaving parts in the road back here."  No kidding!.
The only things that weren't ruined were the head and carbs (thank God, those were pretty rare even back then), side plate over the valve box, water pump, and water inlet, and flywheel.  Block, crank rods, pistons, pan, cam, lifters were all junk.
Those old engines had provisions for cotter pins on the rod bolts.  Seems I must have missed one on the No. 3 rod. 

You just can't check this stuff too much. 
 

Excellent story, We are driving the Model T's from Orange County to Death Valley and back. I am building two T engines and transmissions, one specifically for touring as I have replaced the number one and two rods in the engine presently in the car and number three and four are making some noise. Not surprising considering the engine still has the original cast pistons with quarter inch rings. I know at least one guy that is using nylocks on the rod bolts and has racked up several thousand miles on them with no issues. I may do the same as I have a 3 dip pan and installing cotter pins on the fourth rod bolts can be challenging. Thanks for sharing your story.

It's really good to hear that there are others on here that are also into the early stuff.  I sold that car in '91 and have not been involved in early iron since, though I keep looking at Model A's on BAT. The car is presently owned by Rick McIntosh (ex of Mac's Antique Auto Parts) and I was able to visit it and take it for a short ride/drive on my birthday in August  2018 at his home in Lockport, NY.  He's a very nice guy and loves the car...finished 1st Sportsman and 9th Overall in the Great Race in July of that year.  I hand built the car from Oct, '72 to Aug, '74 so it's great to know it's still being used and enjoyed. 
Post a picture of your T-Bone.  I'd love to see it and if I can make the photo gods on this forum work I'll post a shot of the Speedster.

Less than two years is a quick build! Glad to hear that you managed to stay connected to the car and even though you don't have the car, you continue to see your efforts being well cared for. I will try to post a few photos of the T after I transfer them from the phone to the computer.

 

2/24/2021 9:06 AM  #33


Re: Failures and what I've learned from them....

It sure is, my quick '89GT build started in 2016 and its still up on my lift.

 

2/24/2021 9:48 AM  #34


Re: Failures and what I've learned from them....

red351 wrote:

If it wasn't for 1or 2or 3 and or whatever beers . I would hardly get enough ambition to go out to the garage in the afternoon anymore.
Just yesterday I knew I found my missing 5/8 socket while holding a Keystone and looking at a round up punch in the hood about where the air cleaner is....

Ouch!


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

2/24/2021 12:04 PM  #35


Re: Failures and what I've learned from them....

Boss: 
As I built it, 1974

Well that shot uploaded fine but I can't make a current picture work. 



 

Last edited by Bullet Bob (2/24/2021 12:06 PM)


"you get what you pay for, good work isn't cheap, and there are NO free lunches...PERIOD!"
     Thread Starter
 

2/24/2021 12:45 PM  #36


Re: Failures and what I've learned from them....

Oh man, I absolutely love it!  Really, really cool old race car vibe. 

 

2/24/2021 2:14 PM  #37


Re: Failures and what I've learned from them....

TKOPerformance wrote:

Oh man, I absolutely love it!  Really, really cool old race car vibe. 

Thank you...a friend and I designed it and made a set of fiberglass molds.  We used the Type 57 Bug Gran Prix car and Frank Lockhart's 1926 Indy winner for inspiration.  The plan was to build two cars but he got into some personal problems and backed away as I was finishing the molds.  We built a plaster plug on an "A" frame to pull the molds.  Neither of us had ever done such a thing but we found a book for guidance... "GLASS FIBER REINFORCED BODY CONSTRUCTION....SIMPLIFIED".  I always loved that title.


"you get what you pay for, good work isn't cheap, and there are NO free lunches...PERIOD!"
     Thread Starter
 

2/24/2021 6:23 PM  #38


Re: Failures and what I've learned from them....

Bullet Bob wrote:

Boss: 
As I built it, 1974

Well that shot uploaded fine but I can't make a current picture work. 

BB, very nice work! That must have been a hoot and a holler to drive! I can't believe you did all that work in two years. I tried to upload photos, but can't seem to get it done. If I figure out the process, I'll post a few.

 

 

 

2/25/2021 5:39 PM  #39


Re: Failures and what I've learned from them....

My brother and I (we were 17) had a 1959 Hillman Minx with a little four cylinder. It began to run really crappy and started knocking. Drained the oil and found metal in it. We pulled the engine and tore it down.  Found some burnt valves and one really bad rod bearing that had spun. Took it to the local machine shop up the road. They reworked the head and valves, crank and rods and said the pistons looked good, so we didn't have it bored out. We put it back together and  put it back in. We got maybe 75 miles on it and it started making noise again. Drained the oil and found more metal, again. What? You mean you should boil out the block after an engine failure??? The things you learn the hard way, are the things you learn best.
 


68 coupe - 351W, 4R70W, 9" 3.25 -- 65 convertible - 289 4v, C4, 8" 3.00
 

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