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Here's a better pic of the McLeod v the Ford t/o bearing. McLeod on the left.
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I would do one of two things: Either give McLeod a call and ask their tech department about it, or just put the McLeod bearing in it and see if it solves the issue. At this point, with nothing obviously wrong, that seems the most likely fix.
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Chaplin wrote:
Thanks. I actually watched that video when I put it together and installed it the same way. Did your t/o bearing have the tear drop shape like the one in the video and my McLeod pictured above or was it like the Ford bearing pictured next to the McLeod in my pic?
Mine looked just like the Mcleod and it was FOMOCO. I didn't use the one in my Valeo clutch kit and purposely went with the Ford. It did not look at all like your Ford one.
I have the Valeo kit one. I will dig it out and see what it looks like
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Don’t know part numbers, but the Ford bearing that looks like it is not concentric works best. It is self-centering.
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Doing some reading it seems that the consensus is that the only two possible sources of the noise I was hearing are the t/o bearing or the input shaft bearing. The trans was just rebuilt by G-Force and also has 6 miles on it. I checked the input shaft and it is rock solid with essentially zero play, so I am going to out on a limb and say the problem is the t/o bearing and not the trans.
I ordered this t/o bearing and it is supposed to arrive tomorrow.
If it gets here early enough in the day, I may try to put it all back together tomorrow night and test it out on Sunday. If the noise is still there with the new t/o bearing, the trans will get an all expenses paid trip back to G-Force.
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I guess this suggestion is too little too late: but before removing the trans, would it be possible to back off the clutch adjustment so that the throw-out bearing doesn't contact the clutch fingers? If the noise stops - then it points to the throw-out bearing. If the noise continues, then that would indicate the transmission input shaft bearing.
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Good thought. And I had planned on doing that- and probably should have before I pulled the trans- but once I put the bore scope in there and saw a couple of small metal flakes floating around, I decided just to pull the trans and see was going on.
At this point it does appear that I had the wrong Ford t/o bearing, so it's probably good that I did pull it. The plus, if you can call it a plus, is that if the new t/o bearing doesn't solve it and I have to pull the trans again, it's probably only another hour of work to pull it all back out again. V-band clamps on the exhaust make things very easy!
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Well, Fed Ex was supposed to deliver my TOB yesterday, but it didn't arrive until 6pm tonight so I probably won't have a chance to put it all back together until next weekend.
But I just went out into the garage and the new Ford TOB appears to be identical to the McLeod one except the Ford Racing M-7548 bearing has the Timken part # on it that Josh posted above, so it looks like the Ford Racing bearing is just a repackaged Timken. Note to self for next time.
Anyway, I was looking at things tonight and when I went to slide the clutch fork into place on the pivot stud, I could see that the bottom clip was not clipping onto the stud. The top clip snapped onto the stud fine, but bottom clip was getting pushed under the stud.
I pulled the fork out and looked at it closely and, as you can see, it looks like the bottom clip was bent down a little bit. See pic. I bent it back into place and now it clips onto the stud fine.
I didn't notice how the fork was installed because it came off the stud when I pulled the tranny. Perhaps that bottom clip got bent like that when the tranny came out, but is it possible that if it was installed that way the clutch would work at all? If it wasn't clipped onto the pivot stud fully, I could see how a rotating TOB could transmit a vibration through the fork and into the bell housing. But I'd be surprised that the clutch would work at all if the fork wasn't fully clipped to the pivot stud.
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Is the fork a Ford fork? There were issues like this noted with aftermarket forks. You can still get the Ford fork if you look around.
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I don't think it is a Ford fork. Maybe I will see if I can pick one up somewhere.
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Those springs do nothing once everything is installed and clutch is adjusted. Would not be concerned.
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Ok, so I won't worry about the fork.
Quick question... the pilot bearing looks good and turns smoothly with a finger, so I am inclined not to pull the bell and clutch to replace it.
Some reading seems to suggest that with the car in neutral and foot off the clutch pedal, the pilot bearing would not make noise if it was bad, but it would make noise if it was bad when you pushed the clutch pedal in. True?
If that is true, that is the exact opposite problem I am having, which also supports not changing the pilot bearing.
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If the pilot feels smooth and is packed with good grease I wouldn't worry about it. I've yet to have a noise issue from a pilot bearing. A bushing I'd be more concerned about and would advise you to swap out for a bearing. And yes, the pilot should only make noise under load, and with the trans in neutral and the pressure plate at rest there's no load on it.
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Perfect, tnx!
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MINE IS JUST THE OPPOSITE IT IS NOISY WHEN I PUSH CLUTCH IN. I HAVE BEEN WONDERING WHAT IT IS.
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Well, I got the car back together tonight and gave it a quick test. It is better than it was, but there is still a noise from the trans when the car is in neutral with your foot off the clutch pedal, but it sounds different than it did before. Before the noise was a bit of a whirring sound, now it has a high pitch whine almost like a gear drive. And the noise changes with RPM and goes away completely when the clutch pedal is pushed in.
I'm going to give g-force a call tomorrow and see what they have to say.
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It has G-Force gears? Does it make the same noise while in gear and driving? You are going to get some gear whine from those gears, and that's possible even in neutral because oil roping is still moving the gears
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Yes, G-Force rebuilt the trans and put their gear set in it. I definitely get the gear whine while driving, but I expected that because I know their gears are noisy. But I didn't expect any noise in neutral.
The noise isn't that loud and doesn't bother me, I just want to make sure nothing is "wrong". Hopefully you are correct and it's just the sound of the some incidental gear movement.
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I spoke to G-Force this morning and they said that a little noise is not uncommon and that once I drive it and get some miles on it and the gears break-in a bit, the noise should subside.
So, I shall proceed to put some miles on it and see what happens.
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