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3/30/2021 12:18 AM  #1


Need Rear Fender Rubbing Advice

1965 Coupe - 302 EFI - T5 - 8in rear - 5 Lug 

I'm trying to find a solution for my rear tires rubbing on the rear fender. I have already had my rear fenders rolled, but there is still some rubbing after hitting bumps in the road. The previous owner added Grab-A-Trak 4.5 Mid-eye leaf springs and Grab-A-Trak rear shocks, and the current wheels and tires. 

Wheels - R14 - Tires - 205/70 - Wheel + Tire Height = 25.3in tall 

What might be a potential solution for raising the rear height? I'm interested in new 15" wheels and wider tires, so I want to solve this issue before doing that. 

My guess is that I need to get smaller tires, or get better rear shocks but honestly I have no clue. I noticed the previous thread about re-arching the leaf springs which I'm looking into but the rear suspension seems relatively new.  

Also, side question, when researching wheel and tire packages, it seems that 215/60 or 225/60 tire sizes are the most  recommended. Is the difference between the 215 and 225 noticeable? what is the argument for wider tires?

Let me know if there is more information needed. 

Thanks! 



Beautiful Red 1965 Coupe 5.0L conversion - So it goes
 

3/30/2021 2:57 AM  #2


Re: Need Rear Fender Rubbing Advice

Could back spacing on your rims be causing this issue? Looking at the photos you provided, your wheels seem to sit out a bit.
I have a set of 15's on mine with 215/60 and have no scrubbing of tires. I haven't rolled my fenders either. Measuring from garage floor to highest point of the wheel arch on my car is 26". Next set of tires, I'm entertaining the idea of putting 225's on the rear.


1964-1/2 D Code Coupe - 289 V8, 4 Speed Toploader, 3.00 ratio rear, Autolite 4100 Carb, 15" tires, Pertronix ignition
 

3/30/2021 5:52 AM  #3


Re: Need Rear Fender Rubbing Advice

Changing the rear ride height, shocks, etc. is NOT a solution to the tires rubbing.  Its not 1975 anymore.

If you are going to change wheels anyway I would advise looking at changing the backspacing to tuck the wheels under the bodywork more.  However, if the wheels/tires are just too wide you may just move the issue from the wheel lip to the inner wheelhouse.  The solution then is narrower wheels/tires, or modifying the inner wheel house (min tub, etc.).

If you can't change the backspacing to fix the issue because its not offered in the wheel you want the other option would be to narrow the rear end. 

Yeah, none of those solutions are easy, and depending on your skills may not be cheap either, but there's always a price to be paid for getting the widest meats you can under a car. 

 

3/30/2021 8:46 AM  #4


Re: Need Rear Fender Rubbing Advice

As noted above, you need smaller tires and/or wheels with more backspacing.

If you are looking at getting new 15" wheels anyway, do some measuring and figure out what the backspacing is of your current wheels, how much room you have to add more backspacing and order your new wheels accordingly.

 

3/30/2021 10:35 AM  #5


Re: Need Rear Fender Rubbing Advice

Is it happening the same on each side? Some rear axles can sit an extra 1/8” to 1/4” to one side.
Also, determine if your tires are rubbing at 12 o’clock on the lip or at 10 & 2 o’clock. I rolled my fender lips but continued to get rubbing at 10 & 2. A little more motivation with a small sledge hammer fixed the problem.

Last edited by Prof (3/30/2021 10:35 AM)

 

3/30/2021 10:52 AM  #6


Re: Need Rear Fender Rubbing Advice

Is your rear wheel 14x7 or 14x8 ?

It looks like there’s an extra inch of “deep dish-ness” on the front side.

 

3/30/2021 2:34 PM  #7


Re: Need Rear Fender Rubbing Advice

I would look at your backspacing on your wheels.

I had Cragars 14x6.5” and the backspacing was on shallow side.
Cragar could have added more backspacing ...over 1” as I recall.

I had 235/60/14 BFG  T/A’s.
Mustangs Plus 5 leaf mid-eye, KYB Gas-A-Just ( with and without 3/4” rear sway bar).

I had very slight scrapes on passenger side only.
Never on the driver side.

There is the tab in the fender lip that is longer too.
Is it hitting that tab?

As mentioned, you might be able to shift the axle to driver side by a slight amount.
It won’t cost ya anything to try, just time and some patience.

 

3/30/2021 5:40 PM  #8


Re: Need Rear Fender Rubbing Advice

205/70-14 tires should not have a rubbing problem at all. My money says that your wheels don't have enough backspace which moves the tire outboard. Correct backspace is extremely critical on the '65/'66 Mustangs because the wheelwells are narrow to begin with. The tire needs to be centered in the wheelwell.

 

3/30/2021 7:31 PM  #9


Re: Need Rear Fender Rubbing Advice

Post your rim width and backspacing and I can help.
Without that info, there is no direct answer possible.


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3/31/2021 10:44 AM  #10


Re: Need Rear Fender Rubbing Advice

Thanks everyone for the insight! I'll work on collecting more wheel information


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3/31/2021 10:52 AM  #11


Re: Need Rear Fender Rubbing Advice

65to93 wrote:

Thanks everyone for the insight! I'll work on collecting more wheel information

HI new guy...........welcome aboard!!
Sure would like to see pics of your beautiful red Mustang!!
6sally6
 


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3/31/2021 4:11 PM  #12


Re: Need Rear Fender Rubbing Advice

HEY NEW GUY....NICE MUSTANG


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3/31/2021 5:46 PM  #13


Re: Need Rear Fender Rubbing Advice

How is he a new guy if he joined 7/24/2019?


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

6/02/2021 4:22 PM  #14


Re: Need Rear Fender Rubbing Advice

Hi again! 
Thanks for the welcome! Although I may not be 'new' to the forum, I'm an infrequent poster as I'm relatively young (sub 30) so I enjoy sitting in the back and soaking up all the knowledge you all have accumulated over the years. Since there are almost 9500 posts here, sometimes the answer is hidden in the archives, so I want to be respectful of your time.

I just wanted to post a quick update since I finally had a breakthrough. First, thank you for your insight and suggestions, I was not expecting this to be complicated but I was clearly missing something.

Long story short, it seems that the previous owner decided to put a 1967/68 rear end in the car so the axle is 2" longer than 1965 rear end. This is causing the wheels to sit just outside of the rear fender well causing the rub in the picture. 

I'll also note that I originally led you all astray when I said the tires were 205/70/R14 but they are 215/70/R14, a difference of +.6" which could have caused some confusion. The backspacing is 4.25in, here is a link to the wheel according to the serial number - Magnum 500 - 14x7.

I originally thought that my fix would be to get some combination of wheels/tires that would reduce the overall height of the wheel/tire to stop the rubbing, and rebuild the rear suspension because the old one is worn out. But it seems that project, as they all do, just got a bit bigger than expected.  I also planned on updating the third member to a different gear ratio. 

It seems that I have two options here (in combination with new wheels, tires, rear suspension, and third member): 

1. Get a 1965/66 rear end so that the wheels fit correctly in the wheel wells - I currently have an 8in rear end but I only see 9in rear ends being sold by Currie, Quick Performance, and others. Of course, this requires new spindles, new rear drums (I think), etc. 
2. Keep the 1967/68 rear end, and use the height of the wheels/tires to stop the rub. And see if there is some wheel out there that would accommodate a higher backspace to get the wheel in the fender well. 

I attached a photo so you can see the wheel just outside the fender well. And of the U bolt that I pulled off the rear shock plate which led to this revelation.

(1) https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNYKrRHaS8DDGAB0cEzx6Yona4RtNTWC2pPPTZ6
(2) https://photos.app.goo.gl/8svmssUUtMkHXNyV6

 

Last edited by 65to93 (6/02/2021 4:23 PM)


Beautiful Red 1965 Coupe 5.0L conversion - So it goes
     Thread Starter
 

6/02/2021 5:34 PM  #15


Re: Need Rear Fender Rubbing Advice

Tire height in the 24.5 - 26" range is probably not your problem and going to baby buggy tires is gonna look stupid (IMO) on an early Mustang.  The problems are, obviously, the 67 rearend and the too shallow backspace on the wheels.  Problem is, finding 15 X 7 wheels with more backspace may be difficult.  A lot of guys run the later Mustang (01-03 ish) wheels and have to add spacers as that wheel has too much backspace...5" or more.  That might work  for you on the rear but it's a 17" x 8 wheel so it could still be tight...someone will need to post the exact BS on those late wheels.
Honestly, I think I would try to find a proper rearend.  BB2 (RPM) has found a Mother Lode of Mustang stuff down in the Castaic area.  Long haul for you but that might be a simpler solution if you could get a proper rear axle.  'Nuther solution would be to narrow, or have narrowed, an 8.8.  I'm using an Explorer which needed to me narrowed but CoupeDaddy is running an 8.8 from some year later Mustang, I think, with no narrowing required.  Maybe he will chime in.
If BB2 doesn't chime in you can shoot him a PM and ask about that guy he knows.
Good luck.  Getting this stuff right is a PIA but worth it.

Last edited by Bullet Bob (6/02/2021 5:35 PM)


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6/02/2021 6:57 PM  #16


Re: Need Rear Fender Rubbing Advice

San Francisco to Castaic is but a mere 350 miles   Seems like a looong haul for sumpin you could probably find on craigslist in Norcal. Mustang MD is the business name, Paul is the owner, and 818-367-0055 is his number.


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

6/02/2021 6:59 PM  #17


Re: Need Rear Fender Rubbing Advice

a narrowed 8.8 is the best route (I tink!)  Make it a little more narrow than a 65/66 and be able to squeeze a lil bit bigger tire in there.
PLENTY strong and cheap and many gear ratios and Trac-Lock.....what-snot to lick?!
6sally6


Get busy Liv'in or get busy Die'n....Host of the 2020 Bash at the Beach/The only Bash that got cancelled  )8
 

6/02/2021 9:57 PM  #18


Re: Need Rear Fender Rubbing Advice

My 2 cents...............Get wheels with 5" back spacing.  They will bring your wheels in to a perfect fit.  Your axle is  2" wider than a stock '66.  It will work.  I have a spare set of Lincoln MKVII wheels that I install once in a while.  They have 5" bs and fit perfectly with a 1" spacer.


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