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6/06/2021 1:40 PM  #1


funky ammeter

I know the ammeter in the 67 is passive and I have never looked into how it really works. For 40 years the ammeter jiggles when I step on the brake and actually will show a slight charge after a long crank start. Until it didn't.
The other day the ammeter started acting like an ammeter, or should I say, a load meter. After a prolonged start the meter showed a nice positive charge rate and slowly dropped as the battery was charged. Step on the brakes and the 6 incandescent bulbs in the taillights move the needle to the right to the first hash mark on the gauge and while idling (500 rpm) will dip into to discharge side of the meter. Just what I would expect.
I have not injected the Mustang with nanobots so I have no idea what caused this change. Everything looks normal, temp, oil pressure and fuel except for the now "Woke" Ammeter.
Ideas?
 


Gary Zilik - Pine Junction, Colorado - 67 Coupe, 289-4V, T5
 

6/06/2021 2:04 PM  #2


Re: funky ammeter

The way Ford used this ammeter made it virtually useless as a diagnostic tool.  However, it also wouldn't be capable of starting a fire if alternator had an overload, or stop charging if the ammeter circuit opened.
With that being said, from my experience on several Ford vehicles of many years, if everything is 'normal', the gauge rarely ever noticeably moved.  As you indicated that you had a 'prolonged start', your battery may be getting near to needing to be replaced, just a guess.
Note that the ammeter is not connected to the CVU that the other gauges receive their power from, and will have no impact on one another.


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

6/06/2021 3:02 PM  #3


Re: funky ammeter

Might be like old muscles, need to be exercised to get them working again


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6/06/2021 4:30 PM  #4


Re: funky ammeter

The stock amp meter in the real old cars...Model A's...carried all the current from or to the battery so it really showed you something.  But back then 20 amps was about all the system needed.
On the 60's stuff Ford went to a "shunt" type ammeter.  This used a 16ga wire from the generator/alternator to and through the ammeter, then back to the battery side of the solenoid.  There was also a short piece of 10ga directly from the alternator to the solenoid/battery.  So the higher resistance "shunt" wiring through the ammeter is in parallel with the short 10ga and only carries a low representative  percentage of the current the system was sending to, or drawing from, the battery.  After 50 years of corrosion, crappy terminals and higher resistance, the shunt system shows less and less of whats happening.  Also it still is providing a solid, unprotected wire directly from the battery to the rest of the system...NOT GOOD. 
Butt (TS&T),  that's how and why it works.

If I were you, Gary, I'd make sure the connections from the alternator to the solenoid are clean and solid.  You DO NOT want that ammeter system carrying any load.

Last edited by Bullet Bob (6/06/2021 4:32 PM)


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6/06/2021 8:25 PM  #5


Re: funky ammeter

Voltmeter is much better indicator of charging system function, to me.  Before changing to voltmeter, headlight brightness was about the only indicator of what was going on.


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6/07/2021 6:34 AM  #6


Re: funky ammeter

MS wrote:

Voltmeter is much better indicator of charging system function, to me. Before changing to voltmeter, headlight brightness was about the only indicator of what was going on.

I removed a few feet of wire from the yellow wire coming from the alternator and it made a world of difference in the magnitude of the ammeter readings.  Just sayin'

Last edited by John Ha (6/07/2021 12:04 PM)


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6/07/2021 8:14 AM  #7


Re: funky ammeter

MS wrote:

Voltmeter is much better indicator of charging system function, to me. Before changing to voltmeter, headlight brightness was about the only indicator of what was going on.

On my 86 full size Bronco, as I was driving to work one morning (in the dark), electrical things were acting funky, I thought the headlights were not as bright as they should be and as I traveled further, I realized they were getting dimmer.  The OEM ammeter did not move much from dead center.  The alternator had stopped working.
 


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

6/07/2021 3:12 PM  #8


Re: funky ammeter

I think I found the problem. The stud on the hot side of the starter solenoid where the battery/alternator (along with other stuff) attach was only snug allowing movement of the cables. Upon dismantling I found the threads on the copper stud partially stripped. Tightening the nut as much as I dare has turned the ammeter back to its lazy self. 
Need a new solenoid. Now to find a good one.

Which one?

Last edited by RV6 (6/07/2021 3:19 PM)


Gary Zilik - Pine Junction, Colorado - 67 Coupe, 289-4V, T5
     Thread Starter
 

6/07/2021 5:14 PM  #9


Re: funky ammeter

Standard built a lot of all oem stuff for the big 3 for some yrs, but china somehow got involved in every brand name including my last Motorcraft soleniod

 

6/07/2021 11:07 PM  #10


Re: funky ammeter

Some have slightly shorter studs.
Be aware of that.

 

6/08/2021 8:40 AM  #11


Re: funky ammeter

Don't need one with a more modern(and smaller) high-torque starter........Its got one attached.
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6/08/2021 11:03 AM  #12


Re: funky ammeter

The Standard Blue Streak line is a quality product.


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

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