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9/11/2021 7:15 AM  #1


EFI swap

anyone running the ritech EFI kit.
what are your thoughts like and dislikes.
thanks
 

 

9/11/2021 8:06 AM  #2


Re: EFI swap

I personally don't have any experience to report; but, I did a quick search on YouTube for "Fitech vs Sniper" and a lot of videos about EFI experiences came up.  From the titles some are negative and some are positive, as you would expect.  A lot depends on the installation.


1968 T-code Coupe with a 302.  Nice car, no show stopper for sure, but I like it.
 

9/11/2021 8:17 AM  #3


Re: EFI swap

The biggest problem with ALL aftermarket EFI systems is a decided lack of support a couple years down the road.  The manufacturers move on to new things and the knowledge and parts support simply dry up.

My advice would be to go with either a factory system like an EECIV, or something like the Megasquirt.  There is tons of support available for both and both used commonly available parts, AND that's not going to change anytime soon. 

 

9/11/2021 9:49 AM  #4


Re: EFI swap

I think it depends on where you are presently. Meaning, what do you want out of the car and what is your level of understanding?  Will you do it yourself or have someone do it? What's your budget?

All those guide your decision.

If a large user base and large installer base is important I'd go Holley. Their FI setups are pretty much the 350 Chevy of the FI world. Doesn't mean it's the best, just widely used and supported. 

I am all in on Megasquirt, *however* to someone just starting out it is fairly daunting. There's so many options, configurations, resellers, etc that it overwhelms a new person. But if you have the patience it can provide top notch performance and features at a super low price point.

Have fun

 

9/11/2021 11:10 AM  #5


Re: EFI swap

mark1965 wrote:

anyone running the ritech EFI kit.
what are your thoughts like and dislikes.
thanks
 

I have a FiTech FI.  So far in about 2000 miles I've had 3 problems.  Stuck open injector; clogged fuel filter; and the worst, the connector wire/connector plug between the fuel pump and the processor fried.  The connector was toast.  FiTech tech support intimated that that problem was not uncommon.

I am past fixing things like that, so my mechanic is doing the work.  He has already eliminated the plug and has put separate connectors on the 3 (of the 6) wires that my setup uses.  I'll try it again one more time and if this fix does not work, out it goes and I'll reinstall the carb.

But when it is working, I like the easier starting and overall smoother running. 

FiTech tech support is at best adequite.  They're not real brainy.  They can usually answer my questions, but the stuck injector they never did figure out.  I think you guys solved it.  Fortunately, that is a simple swap out.
 


Original owner - 351w,T-5, 4whl disks, power R&P
 

9/12/2021 7:03 AM  #6


Re: EFI swap

Raymond_B wrote:

I think it depends on where you are presently. Meaning, what do you want out of the car and what is your level of understanding?  Will you do it yourself or have someone do it? What's your budget?

All those guide your decision.

If a large user base and large installer base is important I'd go Holley. Their FI setups are pretty much the 350 Chevy of the FI world. Doesn't mean it's the best, just widely used and supported. 

I am all in on Megasquirt, *however* to someone just starting out it is fairly daunting. There's so many options, configurations, resellers, etc that it overwhelms a new person. But if you have the patience it can provide top notch performance and features at a super low price point.

Have fun

This really raises a good point.  I'm of the opinion that I don't have things in my vehicles I don't understand.  Its unfortunate, but most times I've found my diagnostic and repair skills are superior to the manufacturer, so I have to have the knowledge needed to do that.  Therefore, before I started messing with EFI I read 3 books on it.  One covered general EFI theory and retrofitting, one on Ford systems, and one on GM systems.  Then I transitioned that knowledge to practical applications making repairs and then modifications.  This is also in part why I prefer factory based systems because the diagnostics are so good.  There are pinpoint tests for each code and 95% of the time those lead you to a solution.  The other 5% of the time the code is usually erroneous and tied to a mechanical issue, so you can't abandon basic engine diagnostic and repair techniques just because a vehicle now has EFI.  That's where a lot of the new generation of mechanics are weakest.  They're great with computers and codes, but live and die by the scanner and if when it doesn't point to the problem they tend to get lost in a hurry. 

Now that's just me.  Other guys are content to take the vehicle to someone when it needs repair, but this is also where aftermarket systems can be a problem.  You need a shop that's familiar with that specific setup, or they are taking shots in the dark.  That tends to be expensive for you and frustrating for them.

In the end, the aftermarket is pretty good, but simply can't compete with the millions the OEMs spent on R&D to create systems that are mostly free of complaint and relatively easy to repair if there is a complaint.  Though, Megasquirt was designed by guys that did a lot of that R&D, and I'm sure other aftermarket systems were too, but Megasquirt seems to have the best community for support. 

 

9/12/2021 10:36 AM  #7


Re: EFI swap

TKOPerformance wrote:

Raymond_B wrote:

I think it depends on where you are presently. Meaning, what do you want out of the car and what is your level of understanding?  Will you do it yourself or have someone do it? What's your budget?

All those guide your decision.

If a large user base and large installer base is important I'd go Holley. Their FI setups are pretty much the 350 Chevy of the FI world. Doesn't mean it's the best, just widely used and supported. 

I am all in on Megasquirt, *however* to someone just starting out it is fairly daunting. There's so many options, configurations, resellers, etc that it overwhelms a new person. But if you have the patience it can provide top notch performance and features at a super low price point.

Have fun

This really raises a good point.  I'm of the opinion that I don't have things in my vehicles I don't understand.  Its unfortunate, but most times I've found my diagnostic and repair skills are superior to the manufacturer, so I have to have the knowledge needed to do that.  Therefore, before I started messing with EFI I read 3 books on it.  One covered general EFI theory and retrofitting, one on Ford systems, and one on GM systems.  Then I transitioned that knowledge to practical applications making repairs and then modifications.  This is also in part why I prefer factory based systems because the diagnostics are so good.  There are pinpoint tests for each code and 95% of the time those lead you to a solution.  The other 5% of the time the code is usually erroneous and tied to a mechanical issue, so you can't abandon basic engine diagnostic and repair techniques just because a vehicle now has EFI.  That's where a lot of the new generation of mechanics are weakest.  They're great with computers and codes, but live and die by the scanner and if when it doesn't point to the problem they tend to get lost in a hurry. 

Now that's just me.  Other guys are content to take the vehicle to someone when it needs repair, but this is also where aftermarket systems can be a problem.  You need a shop that's familiar with that specific setup, or they are taking shots in the dark.  That tends to be expensive for you and frustrating for them.

In the end, the aftermarket is pretty good, but simply can't compete with the millions the OEMs spent on R&D to create systems that are mostly free of complaint and relatively easy to repair if there is a complaint.  Though, Megasquirt was designed by guys that did a lot of that R&D, and I'm sure other aftermarket systems were too, but Megasquirt seems to have the best community for support. 

Can you make an OEM unit play nice with a camshaft that has a fair amount of duration and an LSA of 108*?!
If so.........I might try it (One day! )
 


Get busy Liv'in or get busy Die'n....Host of the 2020 Bash at the Beach/The only Bash that got cancelled  )8
 

9/13/2021 4:53 AM  #8


Re: EFI swap

6sally6 wrote:

TKOPerformance wrote:

Raymond_B wrote:

I think it depends on where you are presently. Meaning, what do you want out of the car and what is your level of understanding?  Will you do it yourself or have someone do it? What's your budget?

All those guide your decision.

If a large user base and large installer base is important I'd go Holley. Their FI setups are pretty much the 350 Chevy of the FI world. Doesn't mean it's the best, just widely used and supported. 

I am all in on Megasquirt, *however* to someone just starting out it is fairly daunting. There's so many options, configurations, resellers, etc that it overwhelms a new person. But if you have the patience it can provide top notch performance and features at a super low price point.

Have fun

This really raises a good point.  I'm of the opinion that I don't have things in my vehicles I don't understand.  Its unfortunate, but most times I've found my diagnostic and repair skills are superior to the manufacturer, so I have to have the knowledge needed to do that.  Therefore, before I started messing with EFI I read 3 books on it.  One covered general EFI theory and retrofitting, one on Ford systems, and one on GM systems.  Then I transitioned that knowledge to practical applications making repairs and then modifications.  This is also in part why I prefer factory based systems because the diagnostics are so good.  There are pinpoint tests for each code and 95% of the time those lead you to a solution.  The other 5% of the time the code is usually erroneous and tied to a mechanical issue, so you can't abandon basic engine diagnostic and repair techniques just because a vehicle now has EFI.  That's where a lot of the new generation of mechanics are weakest.  They're great with computers and codes, but live and die by the scanner and if when it doesn't point to the problem they tend to get lost in a hurry. 

Now that's just me.  Other guys are content to take the vehicle to someone when it needs repair, but this is also where aftermarket systems can be a problem.  You need a shop that's familiar with that specific setup, or they are taking shots in the dark.  That tends to be expensive for you and frustrating for them.

In the end, the aftermarket is pretty good, but simply can't compete with the millions the OEMs spent on R&D to create systems that are mostly free of complaint and relatively easy to repair if there is a complaint.  Though, Megasquirt was designed by guys that did a lot of that R&D, and I'm sure other aftermarket systems were too, but Megasquirt seems to have the best community for support. 

Can you make an OEM unit play nice with a camshaft that has a fair amount of duration and an LSA of 108*?!
If so.........I might try it (One day! )
 

Yes, it just takes tuning ability/knowledge.  I will say however that in an EFI application you can run a wider LSA and still get the low end torque you want.  Typically the cams selected by the various manufacturers for an EFI application, all things being equal are going to be ground on a 112 degree LSA. 

 

9/14/2021 1:06 AM  #9


Re: EFI swap

Just my opinion here...
I was going to go with EFI eventually, BUT... After seeing lots of discussion on the topic, I came to the decision that my car will always have a carburettor.
I tend to think adding an EFI to these old cars just complicates a very simple car and for the amount I drive mine (2-3 times a week), it's just not worth it.
With the way things are going, who knows... we may be forced to fit electric engines (ha, ha).


1964-1/2 D Code Coupe - 289 V8, 4 Speed Toploader, 3.00 ratio rear, Autolite 4100 Carb, 15" tires, Pertronix ignition
 

9/14/2021 3:18 AM  #10


Re: EFI swap

I am running Fitech go port on my 351 w . It works well . I think the biggest issue with any system is how it was installed .You need a good clean voltage source . And proper grounds. In most cases if still running the old low output altenator you need to upgrade it also.


If its worth doing do it right !
 

9/14/2021 4:43 AM  #11


Re: EFI swap

Toploader wrote:

Just my opinion here...
I was going to go with EFI eventually, BUT... After seeing lots of discussion on the topic, I came to the decision that my car will always have a carburettor.
I tend to think adding an EFI to these old cars just complicates a very simple car and for the amount I drive mine (2-3 times a week), it's just not worth it.
With the way things are going, who knows... we may be forced to fit electric engines (ha, ha).

Also a very valid perspective.  Honestly, one day my car may get EFI, but it will literally be one of the last things I do to it, and I know EFI quite well.  Its just the work required vs. the reward.  I don't mind it taking a bit longer to start when its been sitting.  Cold starts and cold running really aren't bad (I always let it warm up a bit anyway).  The main benefit I see would be no need to mess with the carb for altitude or weather changes. 

I remember reading an article in MMFF years ago about such a dystopian future.  I think like a zombie apocalypse its pretty unlikely.  Well, unless you live in CA anyway.

 

9/14/2021 11:05 AM  #12


Re: EFI swap

Dystopian huh? My dictionary seems to get used on this site more than anywhere.


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

9/14/2021 7:19 PM  #13


Re: EFI swap

Orwellian comes to mind now. 🤔

 

9/15/2021 4:59 AM  #14


Re: EFI swap

Nos681 wrote:

Orwellian comes to mind now. 🤔

I think the terms are semi synonymous.  1984 presented a future where there was a high degree of order, but no freedom.  Possibly 1984 is a dystopian future, but not all dystopian futures are Orwellian. 

 

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