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I removed the MSD READ-TO-RUN distributor and installed a MSD Pro Billet------i wanted to utilize the full circuitry of the MSD 6AL box.
When the ready to run was installed using the MSD box and blaster coil, the car turned on just fine, With The Key!
the only change I've made was swapping Distributors. I'm using the same engine harness wires (1 for temp sender, 1 for oil sender and 12V from ignition to coil.....). That Coil Wire should be connected to the RED MSD 6AL wire......
The car will not srart,
BUT if I leave the Key On, go under the hood and Crank It with a Trigger Switch going from Batt. + To Stater Coil, the fires right up, and ruuuuunns!!!!!
What the heck is going on!!!!!?????
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No idea, but I've had bad luck with 6ALs over the years. I had two die untimely deaths, whereas an old 6a I bought 20 years ago is still going in its 3rd vehicle.
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Is the 6al grounded directly to the battery not just the chassis? Some 6als are known to be very sensitive to this.
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6aL typically has a key-on power wire and a separate wire to trigger it from the ignition switch. Sounds like you don’t have the one from the switch, maybe?
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I don't know MS.......
BUT like I said, when I had the ready to run Solo, I used the Coil Wire. Then I installed the Ready to Run with the 6AL, I made a Y-adapter and used the Coil Wire (ignition +). Everything Worked.......now using the Billet Dist. It only starts with the Key in the 'On' position, and using a trigger switch to the coil. SO STRANGE!
6AL has direct Pos and Neg right to the Battery!
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M1Mustang69 wrote:
I don't know MS.......
BUT like I said, when I had the ready to run Solo, I used the Coil Wire. Then I installed the Ready to Run with the 6AL, I made a Y-adapter and used the Coil Wire (ignition +). Everything Worked.......now using the Billet Dist. It only starts with the Key in the 'On' position, and using a trigger switch to the coil. SO STRANGE!
6AL has direct Pos and Neg right to the Battery!
This is exactly how I'm setup and wired......
I did this to my 69 many years ago, and I'm assuming I used the "resister wire coil + as it describes.....but maybe not? Is that the solution? Run a new dedicated switch wire???
Or has something failed, like the starter solenoid, or a break in "somewhere"????
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I don’t have either system, but as for troubleshooting…
Have you tried the previous distributor and see what happens?
That’s what I would do.
Go back to last known good setup.
Last edited by Nos681 (11/23/2021 5:51 AM)
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Well, can anyone tell me if this is normal.
The FACTORY COIL WIRE and the under dash 12v ignition wire I used for the Choke go to Zero (0v) on the meter when I'm cranking.
I do not understand how this could have started either the Ready-To-Run or the factory setup 🤷🏻♂️
So my conclusion is when I leave the key to on the "on" position and use the Trigger it starts right up cause the Red MSD 6AL box is receiving 12v!
Now I'm asking if:
1.It is normal for the coil wire + to not have voltage during cranking?
2.How do I get a Cranking 12v source and it Holds 12v once key goes back to on??
1968 Mustang 302 fully restored.
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M1Mustang69 wrote:
M1Mustang69 wrote:
I don't know MS.......
BUT like I said, when I had the ready to run Solo, I used the Coil Wire. Then I installed the Ready to Run with the 6AL, I made a Y-adapter and used the Coil Wire (ignition +). Everything Worked.......now using the Billet Dist. It only starts with the Key in the 'On' position, and using a trigger switch to the coil. SO STRANGE!
6AL has direct Pos and Neg right to the Battery!
This is exactly how I'm setup and wired......
I did this to my 69 many years ago, and I'm assuming I used the "resister wire coil + as it describes.....but maybe not? Is that the solution? Run a new dedicated switch wire???
Or has something failed, like the starter solenoid, or a break in "somewhere"????
I have the same MSD 6AL box, MSD billet distributor, and MSD Blaster coil, it is wired per this diagram, with no issues. I did eliminate the ignition resistor wire and provide constant 12v to the coil. I do not have the starter solenoid ‘I’ terminal connected to the ignition coil. The MSD box “Heavy Red” wire is connected to the battery terminal on the starter solenoid, and the ‘Heavy Black’ is grounded at the fender apron.
Your situation is very strange as the coil gets full 12v power from the starter solenoid ‘I’ terminal when the starter is energized, and reverts to about 9v when the ignition switch is back in the ‘on’ position and the starter solenoid has dropped out. I suggest starting by checking the voltage at the coil with the ignition switch in the 'start' and 'on' positions. You can also try using a jumper wire from the battery and connect to the positive coil terminal, try to start with the ignition switch. If it starts, there may be something wrong with the ignition switch, or the wiring associated with the ignition switch. Make sure the MSD box ground has a good clean connection.
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Any aftermarket coil is going to want a true 12V for best voltage output. If you aren't worried about frying points no reason not to do that. You should absolutely have 12V to the coil while cranking, so you need to watch where you pull that 12V because some circuits are hot KOEO and RUN, but not in CRANK. I think BobE is on the right track with his suggested troubleshooting method.
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I agree with Dan go back to where it worked and see if it still works. At least you have a base, if it works good. If not, maybe you accidently knocked a wire somewhere.
One question, when you say it won't start; do you mean it won't crank or won't fire up.
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wsinsle wrote:
I agree with Dan go back to where it worked and see if it still works. At least you have a base, if it works good. If not, maybe you accidently knocked a wire somewhere.
One question, when you say it won't start; do you mean it won't crank or won't fire up.
Will not Fire Up. The engine Cranks With the Key, but does not fire up.
The Engine Fires Up with the Trigger Switch Shorting the Batt + to the Solenoid S terminal WITH THE KEY in the ON POSITION.
I'm very, VERY confused by this.
**I just checked the Solenoid, key in "On Position" the 'I' terminal has 12V. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
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The coil must be powered from the solenoid, BACKFED from solenoid.
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While testing, I'd remove the cable to the starter from the solenoid.
Remove the brown wire from the I terminal at solenoid. Look for 12v coming from the I terminal on the solenoid while key is held on start position.
If no power there, replace solenoid.
Edit: Beaten by MS, either I'm a REAL slow typist, or I leave the window open too long before I reply.
What you've done to start it is no different to hot wiring it.
Last edited by 50vert (11/24/2021 6:42 PM)
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Thank you everyone!
After doing all of what was suggested, I happened upong the problem.
So for starters, I'm not convinced I have a "Resister Wire". The Red/Green Coil wire reads a nice 12v and the test light is pretty bright.
The problem was the after market Coil/Temp Gauge Wire/Oil Pressure Wire Harness. The one responsible for the coil seems to have been mouled deeper than the others, so contact wasn't right, or even there.
I was able to use electronic plyers and slowly pull it up........
Now unfortunately I'm in the process of Swapping Carburetors and Can't Test the bloody thing, but stay tuned
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