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1/23/2022 8:43 AM  #1


Retrofit AC

Anybody here use Southern Rods air conditioning kit? I am going to put a unit of some kind in the 67 coupe. Just looking around the internet and saw them. Quite a difference in price between them, Vintage air and Classic Air.
Haven't found too many good posts about them on different forums, so it might be one of the you get what you pay for types.


 


67 Coupe, 5.0 EEC IV Fuel injected. T5, 3:70 rear
 

1/23/2022 10:14 AM  #2


Re: Retrofit AC

I ended up w/a Vintage Gen IV system and am pleased with its perfromance.  I had been advised not to go w/Southern.   


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

1/23/2022 10:42 AM  #3


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Is the SR kit under dash or direct fit like the VA and CAA are?
My CAA kit is all behind the dash and came with a complete replacement evap/heat box that fits where the o/e heater box sat. Overall the CAA w@s a quality product other than the chintzy left and right air outlets.
Also my cable operated kit was the only one available at the time, the newer electric kits should be an easier install.
I think the 65-66 cars are stuck to using the hang below the dash kits and seem to be less expensive.
You have to do an “apple to apple” comparison and wonder what cuts they have to make the price cheaper.


Good work ain't cheap, Cheap work ain't good!   Simple Man
 

1/23/2022 11:31 AM  #4


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If I was looking at the right place, The cheapest of those kits is knocking on $800 and those look like stand alone kits not integrated with the heating system.  The complete vintage air kit for the '68s might be double the price, but they replace the complete heating, cooling, and defrosting system.  You have to think that perhaps you'd be wasting $800 for an a/c system that isn't even close to the nice operation of the one that you'd get for double the price.  Because if you wanted a better system later you can't add on to the $800 investment.


1968 T-code Coupe with a 302.  Nice car, no show stopper for sure, but I like it.
 

1/23/2022 11:47 AM  #5


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I too went with Vintage Air. very clean install and I love the defrost mode up here in Oregon, takes about a minute to clear the entire windshield.  


Slammed Big Blue, ran over the varmints that messed with the Stang. Now all is good in the NW
 

1/23/2022 12:08 PM  #6


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https://www.southernrods.com/maxi-kooler-iii-super-a-c-and-heat-complete-kit.html

This is what i was looking at. I am not sure i would go with them from what i have read,
looks like a good unit, but everything looks good in pictures
 


67 Coupe, 5.0 EEC IV Fuel injected. T5, 3:70 rear
     Thread Starter
 

1/23/2022 2:46 PM  #7


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Considerations:
Vintage Air uses combined heat/cool core and that loses some cooling efficiency. I have one in my 66, been in place 12 years with no problems, but I wish it blew colder air.  I finally compromised on Vintage for my 69 (currently on order) and for my 56 F100 which I have not installed yet.

The Classic Auto Air I looked at recently had separate coils but did not offer hose and condenser configuration for my 69’s passenger side compressor. I liked the CAA center vent design much better than what I am getting.

Whatever difference in price you shell out up front will be minimal if you wind up with one that does what you want it to do.


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

1/23/2022 5:41 PM  #8


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MS, Do you have a water cutoff valve in your heater line to stop the flow of coolant to the interior during the summer?   Does the vintage air system include a water cutoff valve as part of the system?
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I still have the factory heater box in my '68, and it used to be a significant source of heat in the summer before I installed a cutoff in the heater line.  I only open the cutoff now during the winter.  It really reduced the heat during the other 3 seasons.  I still have several other Mustang projects to complete on my car before the "a/c project" bubbles to the top.
 

Last edited by Rufus68 (1/23/2022 5:41 PM)


1968 T-code Coupe with a 302.  Nice car, no show stopper for sure, but I like it.
 

1/23/2022 6:32 PM  #9


Re: Retrofit AC

MS wrote:

Considerations:
Vintage Air uses combined heat/cool core and that loses some cooling efficiency. I have one in my 66, been in place 12 years with no problems, but I wish it blew colder air.  I finally compromised on Vintage for my 69 (currently on order) and for my 56 F100 which I have not installed yet.

The Classic Auto Air I looked at recently had separate coils but did not offer hose and condenser configuration for my 69’s passenger side compressor. I liked the CAA center vent design much better than what I am getting.

Whatever difference in price you shell out up front will be minimal if you wind up with one that does what you want it to do.

I think Bullet Bob had hoses made to fit his passenger side compresser and condenser line.


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

1/23/2022 6:58 PM  #10


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Mine has an electronic controlled water valve. I even clamped the hose shut for one summer. Made no difference.


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

1/23/2022 8:18 PM  #11


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Bearing Bob wrote:

MS wrote:

Considerations:
Vintage Air uses combined heat/cool core and that loses some cooling efficiency. I have one in my 66, been in place 12 years with no problems, but I wish it blew colder air. I finally compromised on Vintage for my 69 (currently on order) and for my 56 F100 which I have not installed yet.

The Classic Auto Air I looked at recently had separate coils but did not offer hose and condenser configuration for my 69’s passenger side compressor. I liked the CAA center vent design much better than what I am getting.
Yup, I did a semi-custom system way back when I first put the car on the road using the original hang-on evaporator...I think JKB has it now...and I used a Sortden compressor and a 20" condenser from Nostalgic Air Parts.  They were very helpful and sold me the fittings and #6 and #10 hose as needed.  I cut the hose, clocked and marked the fittings to fit my setup and had them crimped locally.  Worked great with 134a.  Then when I re-did the car in 14 I moved up to the Vintage Air Gen IV evaporator and make up custom hoses to fit.  I've always had the compressor on the right because of the Standard 5.0 front dress from the 89 Lincoln TC.   I keep waiting for that NAP import Sanden knock-off compressor to crap out but it just keeps hanging in there.  My system blows 40 degree air and works fine for me.  Of course, I don't live in Hell and rarely travel there.

BB
Whatever difference in price you shell out up front will be minimal if you wind up with one that does what you want it to do.

I think Bullet Bob had hoses made to fit his passenger side compresser and condenser line.

 


"you get what you pay for, good work isn't cheap, and there are NO free lunches...PERIOD!"
 

1/23/2022 9:12 PM  #12


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Bullet Bob wrote:

Bearing Bob wrote:

MS wrote:

Considerations:
Vintage Air uses combined heat/cool core and that loses some cooling efficiency. I have one in my 66, been in place 12 years with no problems, but I wish it blew colder air. I finally compromised on Vintage for my 69 (currently on order) and for my 56 F100 which I have not installed yet.

The Classic Auto Air I looked at recently had separate coils but did not offer hose and condenser configuration for my 69’s passenger side compressor. I liked the CAA center vent design much better than what I am getting.
Yup, I did a semi-custom system way back when I first put the car on the road using the original hang-on evaporator...I think JKB has it now...and I used a Sortden compressor and a 20" condenser from Nostalgic Air Parts.  They were very helpful and sold me the fittings and #6 and #10 hose as needed.  I cut the hose, clocked and marked the fittings to fit my setup and had them crimped locally.  Worked great with 134a.  Then when I re-did the car in 14 I moved up to the Vintage Air Gen IV evaporator and make up custom hoses to fit.  I've always had the compressor on the right because of the Standard 5.0 front dress from the 89 Lincoln TC.   I keep waiting for that NAP import Sanden knock-off compressor to crap out but it just keeps hanging in there.  My system blows 40 degree air and works fine for me.  Of course, I don't live in Hell and rarely travel there.

BB
Whatever difference in price you shell out up front will be minimal if you wind up with one that does what you want it to do.

I think Bullet Bob had hoses made to fit his passenger side compresser and condenser line.

 

Yeah, mine would probably cool great in Colorado!


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

1/24/2022 7:43 PM  #13


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Sent a message to them asking about the system. It is a combination coil like Vintage Air. Said they have been a good selling product for them for 20 years.
 


67 Coupe, 5.0 EEC IV Fuel injected. T5, 3:70 rear
     Thread Starter
 

1/26/2022 10:35 AM  #14


Re: Retrofit AC

I had an A/C system very similar to that under dash unit, I didn't like it because the air blew through the coils at an angle at about 30 degrees and it doesn't get cold air out of the unit very well and it just didn't seem to cool well. The mustang unit blows air at a 90 degree angle to the coil so get strong air from the vents into the car.


1965 Notchback, 8.8 rear end, T-5, Diy Front Struts, Shelby Drop, Bumpsteer Kit
 

1/26/2022 12:44 PM  #15


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I went with CAA and the unit seems to work well to at least to 103F outside temp. Total pain to install and get all the hoses clear of moving wiper parts. The vents that came with the unit sucked large time so I purchased repro 1967 AC vents from WCCC for 1/2 price as they were listed as blems. 


Gary Zilik - Pine Junction, Colorado - 67 Coupe, 289-4V, T5
 

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