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2/09/2022 9:39 AM  #1


New Guy with questions

Hello all, I am new here and I have questions about the best method to set up my clutch linkage. My car is a 1965 Comet Cyclone factory 4 speed bucket seat car with a small block. I am building a rotisserie rebuild and I am extensively modifying the car. Plans are a Blueprint 347 SB stroker with AC and Borgeson power steering conversion. The issue is that with the power steering hoses plumbed the factory Z-bar and linkage no longer work. I am interested in the cable clutch conversion using the stock BW T-10 that came in the car. I am looking for ideas and advice from anyone who has done a similar conversion. One big question is if I use a fox body bellhousing setup will the input shaft of the T-10 be the right length? I am sure there are others, any advice will be much appreciated.
Thanks, DR


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2/09/2022 10:47 AM  #2


Re: New Guy with questions

Welcome to a great forum!
If the info your looking for isn't here you may try the Fairlane Club of America
https://fca.clubexpress.com/

There a fee to join but the depth of info is amazing.
 

 

2/09/2022 11:09 AM  #3


Re: New Guy with questions

Welcome!

Im pretty sure that fox body bellhousing wont bolt up to a T10 transmission.  I replaced my T10 4 speed back in 2013 with a T5.  I believe the T10 is has a shorter shaft.  I had cut my driveshaft down 1" when I did the conversion to a t5.  If your going to use a fox bellhousing I would switch over to a t5 transmission.  That 5 gear is Awesome.  Not sure about the cable system on the comet.  Sorry. 

 

2/09/2022 11:18 AM  #4


Re: New Guy with questions

Welcome to FYIFORD.  Glad you found us.

The Foxbody bell will not work with your T10.  However, your existing bellhousing can be modified to work with the cable clutch system using a Foxbody release lever, an adjustable pivot stud, Foxbody throwout bearing and some welding done to the aluminum bell.  I have an instruction sheet with pictures I can email to you.

The second challenge is to make sure there is sufficient space above the top of the clutch pedal to install the quadrant.  You need about 3" clearance.  Some of the Comets had restricted area up there, and I cannot remember which years were at issue.  Send an email to me steve@mustangsteve.com and I will send that instruction sheet for the bellhousing modifications.
 


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2/09/2022 1:54 PM  #5


Re: New Guy with questions

Welcome to the best place on the Web.  Hope you find what you need and are able to participate in one of the annual bashes or the more frequent mini-bashes.  This is the best group you will ever be a part of.  No kiddin'.
Incidentally, where do you reside.  There's a field on the MY Options tab to show you location, etc.

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2/09/2022 6:55 PM  #6


Re: New Guy with questions

Hey, glad to see you on the best classic Mustang forum on the web.  Welcome!

 

2/09/2022 7:04 PM  #7


Re: New Guy with questions

MS wrote:

Welcome to FYIFORD.  Glad you found us.

The Foxbody bell will not work with your T10.  However, your existing bellhousing can be modified to work with the cable clutch system using a Foxbody release lever, an adjustable pivot stud, Foxbody throwout bearing and some welding done to the aluminum bell.  I have an instruction sheet with pictures I can email to you.

The second challenge is to make sure there is sufficient space above the top of the clutch pedal to install the quadrant.  You need about 3" clearance.  Some of the Comets had restricted area up there, and I cannot remember which years were at issue.  Send an email to me steve@mustangsteve.com and I will send that instruction sheet for the bellhousing modifications.
 

I have read your instructions on the Mustang Steve website, and I understand it, I think I could make that work but I can't decide which way to go. One of the guys on the Comet forum I post to recommended this site and your cable kit. He has it done on his Cyclone with a Lakewood bellhousing and a Ford toploader. I really like the idea of the cable conversion, but I am unsure if the T-5 can stand the torque of my Blueprint stroker motor. Maybe a world class T-5 could handle it. Anyway it is great to be here. Thanks for the tip on the Fairlane site. The Comets are such a low number car that there aren't many of us. When I built my first Comet I posted to the TFFN site for years but now they are gone.  upload images


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2/10/2022 5:43 AM  #8


Re: New Guy with questions

If this is a street car on street tires the amount of power the transmission can "take" is meaningless.  You'll spin the tires before you can shock load the trans enough to break it.  The torque ratings you see on transmissions are basically useless anyway.  The industry testing method for determining that rating only uses first gear, and shock loads the trans until it breaks.  Its by no means a real world test.

I've rebuilt dozens of T5s and have past customers who have them in most every application imaginable, including racing.  A broken one has never come back.  A large part of that is that I understood how they were going to use the vehicle and made modifications to the trans accordingly.  There's a lot you can do to strengthen a T5.  At some point though you are going to be past the cost of buying an aftermarket trams like a Tremec. 

I could write a thesis on this stuff, so if you want more info feel free to PM me. 
 

 

2/10/2022 10:52 AM  #9


Re: New Guy with questions

Welcome to this forum, as other have indicated, there are a lot of great assistance available here.
Just a note ... I believe the early Comets are more closely related to the Falcon platform than the Fairlane.  It was maybe the 66 model year that it switched to the Fairlane platform.  Anyway, something to verify. 


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

2/10/2022 1:13 PM  #10


Re: New Guy with questions

Welcome to our Forum I have been coming here over 20 years.


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2/10/2022 4:14 PM  #11


Re: New Guy with questions

Nice looking car.

Hopefully we don’t have to wait 75 years to see it again like Halley’s Comet.😁

 

2/10/2022 6:40 PM  #12


Re: New Guy with questions

BobE wrote:

Welcome to this forum, as other have indicated, there are a lot of great assistance available here.
Just a note ... I believe the early Comets are more closely related to the Falcon platform than the Fairlane.  It was maybe the 66 model year that it switched to the Fairlane platform.  Anyway, something to verify. 

Thanks for the warm welcome and input everyone. You are correct, the 1965 Comet is Falcon/Mustang based and the Fairlane is a different platform. Hence my membership in the "Ford Falcon Network" all those years. The Blue Comet in the photo is a 1965 I built and finished about 15 years ago. It was a one owner 404 289/C-4 combo that I modified quite a bit. I have many photos of it if you are interested.  The Comet I am currently building is on my rotisserie at the moment. My daily driver is a 1967 Barracuda notch that I built over about 6 years and is now finished. I am narrowing the clutch issue down and I am currently looking at a hydraulic MC and slave. Not sure I want to deal with the McCloud type.  
Anyway that's what's up with me. 


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2/10/2022 9:24 PM  #13


Re: New Guy with questions

Ask Bearing Bob about his hydraulic clutch!


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2/10/2022 11:35 PM  #14


Re: New Guy with questions

DesertRat wrote:

BobE wrote:

Welcome to this forum, as other have indicated, there are a lot of great assistance available here.
Just a note ... I believe the early Comets are more closely related to the Falcon platform than the Fairlane.  It was maybe the 66 model year that it switched to the Fairlane platform.  Anyway, something to verify. 

Thanks for the warm welcome and input everyone. You are correct, the 1965 Comet is Falcon/Mustang based and the Fairlane is a different platform. Hence my membership in the "Ford Falcon Network" all those years. The Blue Comet in the photo is a 1965 I built and finished about 15 years ago. It was a one owner 404 289/C-4 combo that I modified quite a bit. I have many photos of it if you are interested.  The Comet I am currently building is on my rotisserie at the moment. My daily driver is a 1967 Barracuda notch that I built over about 6 years and is now finished. I am narrowing the clutch issue down and I am currently looking at a hydraulic MC and slave. Not sure I want to deal with the McCloud type.  
Anyway that's what's up with me. 

Welcome, fellow Washingtonian - I'm in Mukilteo. I used to duck hunt a lot over there in the Moses Lake area, at Mardon's, in the Potholes and around Crab Creek.  I might maybe be over there with my 68 at the airport for the Moses Lake Airshow on 18-19 June. They are trying to get car clubs to attend the show. I'm still up in the air on whether to go or not. I checked the show out online and it looks pretty good.
 


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2/11/2022 5:34 AM  #15


Re: New Guy with questions

I would advise driving something with a hydraulic clutch before committing to it, if you haven't already.  Personally I greatly prefer a mechanical linkage of some sort over hydraulic.  Hydraulic I find tends to be numb, and its hard to tell exactly where the engagement point is. 

 

2/11/2022 9:05 AM  #16


Re: New Guy with questions

TKOPerformance wrote:

I would advise driving something with a hydraulic clutch before committing to it, if you haven't already.  Personally I greatly prefer a mechanical linkage of some sort over hydraulic.  Hydraulic I find tends to be numb, and its hard to tell exactly where the engagement point is. 

Yes I am sure mechanical linkage would be better. The guy who sent me here removed his hydraulic TO bearing and replaced it with the cable system. I just need to make a decision and go with it. The mods required to make it work with my stock bellhousing and transmission do not seem overwhelming to me. I just need to source the parts to make the conversion. the bellhousing mods are easily doable. 


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2/11/2022 9:18 AM  #17


 

2/11/2022 9:59 AM  #18


Re: New Guy with questions

DesertRat wrote:

BobE wrote:

Welcome to this forum, as other have indicated, there are a lot of great assistance available here.
Just a note ... I believe the early Comets are more closely related to the Falcon platform than the Fairlane.  It was maybe the 66 model year that it switched to the Fairlane platform.  Anyway, something to verify. 

Thanks for the warm welcome and input everyone. You are correct, the 1965 Comet is Falcon/Mustang based and the Fairlane is a different platform. Hence my membership in the "Ford Falcon Network" all those years. The Blue Comet in the photo is a 1965 I built and finished about 15 years ago. It was a one owner 404 289/C-4 combo that I modified quite a bit. I have many photos of it if you are interested.  The Comet I am currently building is on my rotisserie at the moment. My daily driver is a 1967 Barracuda notch that I built over about 6 years and is now finished. I am narrowing the clutch issue down and I am currently looking at a hydraulic MC and slave. Not sure I want to deal with the McCloud type.  
Anyway that's what's up with me. 

I have a hydraulic clucth w/external slave cylinder and am happy with this setup.  As I later installed hydraulic power brakes, I had to replace the original clutch MC I installed with the Modern Driveline 'offset' clutch MC.  Also, with the hydraulic clutch, one can remove the spring on the clutch pedal assembly under the dash.  I'm not sure about removing this spring with the cable operated clutch. 

 


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2/11/2022 10:02 AM  #19


Re: New Guy with questions

Moses Lake, huh!?..Dat close to Gig Harbor?...Great place to 'visit' in the spring and summer (Been there a few times)
I still like the mechanical Z-bar clutch linkage. Simple....sorta like me! Push-it-in....it  moves-some-stuff...and the clutch
dis-engages....shift!
All this discussion about cable vs hydraulic TO bearing.....ANY way you could just re-route the PS hoses??!
(what kinda 'lil girl' needs power steering on a classic Mustang anyhow?!!
Seriously....coupla hundred bucks and some labor/hot rodding couldn't re-route the hoses?
BOOM...end of problem!
Welcome to the Mustang Steve site.....we have a blast on here and knowledge is  "off-the-chain"!!
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2/12/2022 6:20 AM  #20


Re: New Guy with questions

BobE wrote:

DesertRat wrote:

BobE wrote:

Welcome to this forum, as other have indicated, there are a lot of great assistance available here.
Just a note ... I believe the early Comets are more closely related to the Falcon platform than the Fairlane.  It was maybe the 66 model year that it switched to the Fairlane platform.  Anyway, something to verify. 

Thanks for the warm welcome and input everyone. You are correct, the 1965 Comet is Falcon/Mustang based and the Fairlane is a different platform. Hence my membership in the "Ford Falcon Network" all those years. The Blue Comet in the photo is a 1965 I built and finished about 15 years ago. It was a one owner 404 289/C-4 combo that I modified quite a bit. I have many photos of it if you are interested.  The Comet I am currently building is on my rotisserie at the moment. My daily driver is a 1967 Barracuda notch that I built over about 6 years and is now finished. I am narrowing the clutch issue down and I am currently looking at a hydraulic MC and slave. Not sure I want to deal with the McCloud type.  
Anyway that's what's up with me. 

I have a hydraulic clucth w/external slave cylinder and am happy with this setup.  As I later installed hydraulic power brakes, I had to replace the original clutch MC I installed with the Modern Driveline 'offset' clutch MC.  Also, with the hydraulic clutch, one can remove the spring on the clutch pedal assembly under the dash.  I'm not sure about removing this spring with the cable operated clutch. 

 

No spring needed with the cable system. 

 

2/12/2022 9:23 AM  #21


Re: New Guy with questions

I like the Modern Driveline kit #MD-910-0022. It has everything I need to use my stock clutch pedal but no provisions for a slave cylinder kit that will fit the stock clutch/T-10 setup. They are all for the T-5 conversion. 
Can anyone recommend a slave cylinder setup that will work with the stocker install?


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2/12/2022 12:05 PM  #22


Re: New Guy with questions

Nope. If you had an FE there are bolt on slave cylinders available, but unfortunately not for a Windsor. When I added a third pedal  I had headers that were in the way of the Z bar, and didn't care to buy new ones. So I went the easy route and used an Tilton hydraulic release bearing. Pretty sure my head mechanic caused it to fail by not securing the lines inside the bellhousing, which wore on pressure plate.

I'm currently using an external slave cylinder that is mounted to a bracket I welded to the bellhousing. It's much easier to work on as it's not inside the bellhousing.

I wouldn't recommend either way I went. Cable or Z bar would be mucho gooder.


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

2/12/2022 2:29 PM  #23


Re: New Guy with questions

DesertRat wrote:

I like the Modern Driveline kit #MD-910-0022. It has everything I need to use my stock clutch pedal but no provisions for a slave cylinder kit that will fit the stock clutch/T-10 setup. They are all for the T-5 conversion. 
Can anyone recommend a slave cylinder setup that will work with the stocker install?

The issue would be the stroke length of the slave cylinder matching the stroke length of the mechanical setup.  Then how to mount the slave cylinder. I suggest calling Modern Driveline to discuss your needs. 


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