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I'm curious to know how a Pertronix ignition system compares with a Duraspark ignition system.
I've ran Pertronix for nearly 20 years and only replaced the module maybe twice.
Is the Duraspark a better system? Can a Duraspark distributor just be purchased (new) and bolt right in, without any modifications required?
I like the idea of the Duraspark system being all in one, vs Pertronix being an add on. So I'm curious on what others think.
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I've had my Pertronix for over 20 years with no replacements. It was installed in a then 20 year old distributor.
I would also like to know if the Duraspark is better.
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I had a Blue grommet Duraspark in a van with a 300-6 manual 4 speed. The TFI died in the second year, the van was bought new.
When I had a 289 in my convertible, one of the first things I did was put a Pertronics module in the stock distributor, it was in it till I swapped engines.
The Pertronics is basically stand alone but the Ford system need its own control module. New and rebuilt Ford Duraspark distributors are available.
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My duraspark (with an MSD box) distrib. has ran flawlessly for.......since the early nines I know.!!
I have had it a part "modifying" it with light springs and such ,any times and it works great.
I believe if it 'ever-did' take-a-dump while on the road.......a stock replacement duraspark (pre fuel injection engines) would drop right in and take me to-da-hill!
In fact......I had it in the 289 a while before I built the 5.0 roller motor. (Not sure how long its been spinning!!)
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I have gone to duraspark distributors on everything.
My 427 has one modified with improved bushings and a reset curve and uses MSD controller. Never a problem.
All the 5.0’s I have built lately have an Autozone duraspark distributor with steel gear (85 Mustang) that cost $79 brand new. Then the module can be had for $29 to $59. Got to assume the more expensive one is more durable. I prefer Ford blue module. I have never had a failure on one of those, including many years ago when I had one on my 302 in the 66 and on Cara’s 65 coupe.
I have no data to compare pertronix to duraspark. Just a successful track record.
The thing I like about duraspark is that if one ever fails when on the road, I can find one at any auto parts store and be up and running in a few minutes.
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No data to back it but if I had to guess probably not much difference in the performance between the 2. The advantage to the Pertronix is it's a little cheaper up front. Disadvantage is if it fails, you pay full cost to replace it. The advantage to the Duraspark is easy to find replacement and if it fails you only replace the box, about 1/2 the cost of Pertronix. Disadvantage is more upfront cost.
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I've run Pertronix in a stock Ford points distributor for 25 years. I had one failure due to having left the key on too long and cooking the module (my own fault). Performance wise, honestly, I think most of the stuff talked about with ignition is BS. Smokey Yunick in his book spends several pages talking about all the experimentation he did with ignition to ultimately determine that spark is spark. If the spark is timed properly, and strong enough the rest is more or less just marketing. I think either system meets those criteria.
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There was a recent discussion on "The Big Forum" about Pertronix. Some people claimed that they didn't notice any difference between points and Pertronix, and surprisingly a former shop owner told them that he always saw a marked improvement, but only if he ran the Pertronix module at 12v, and not at 9v as it is often installed (through the resistor wire). This can be done easily enough, and I can show you how if interested. The key is not to run the coil at 12v, or your Ford tachometer won't work. If the Pertronix breaks, carry an extra set of points and condenser to get you down the road.
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There was a recent discussion on "The Big Forum" about Pertronix. Some people claimed that they didn't notice any difference between points and Pertronix, and surprisingly a former shop owner told them that he always saw a marked improvement, but only if he ran the Pertronix module at 12v, and not at 9v as it is often installed (through the resistor wire). This can be done easily enough, and I can show you how if interested. The key is not to run the coil at 12v, or your Ford tachometer won't work. If the Pertronix breaks, carry an extra set of points and condenser to get you down the road.
I noticed an improvement immediately. It stopped burning up points and leaving me on the side of the road. That was the selling point for me. I've run mine both ways, and can't say I noticed anything different either way. It was MUCH better than points.
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Is there a consensus on the best place to mount the Duraspark/MSD module? Pics would be nice.
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the best things I've seen with my Pertronix are that now I don't have to check the points gap every so often and that I have not had to change points every 15k miles anymore. I've gotten over 5500rpm successfully many times.
So far around 100k miles on it.
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Thanks guys, I appreciate the opinions and time taken to share them.
I've been pretty happy with the Pertronix overall. I saw someone say something, somewhere that the Duraspark distributors were a better distributor and that had me wondering.
My distributor isn't very old and I actually have a spare Pertronix module in my emergency kit in the trunk, so I'm pretty well covered I think.
Next time I rebuild the engine, I think I will go with a Duraspark set up. Not expecting performance increases or anything, I just wondered if the Duraspark set up was more an electronic distributor, as opposed to the Pertronix being an add on.
I will say that the Pertronix is light years ahead of the old points system. I remember the days of replacing or filing points to get rid of the developing engine miss. I could never go back to points, even if you paid me... 😖
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You can use a DS distributor with your choice of many different control modules- the DS module, a GM HEI module, a Chrysler LX101 module and several aftermarket modules including MSD, Accel and others. One advantage of the Motorcraft module is that it retards timing during engine start so you can run a lot of initial advance in your timing and the engine will start easily with no ":kickback" from too much advance.
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I like the use of the magnetic pickup in the Duraspark distributor.
My wife’s 79 F150 still has stock Duraspark system.
I used Jacobs Electronics Mileage Master over 20 years with no problems with the Duraspark distributor.
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On 65-66, I mount the box on the firewall directly behind the carb. All the wiring for it goes right past that point.
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MS wrote:
On 65-66, I mount the box on the firewall directly behind the carb. All the wiring for it goes right past that point.
Assuming you'll use DS in the 69, are you going to mount it there also?
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Bearing Bob wrote:
MS wrote:
On 65-66, I mount the box on the firewall directly behind the carb. All the wiring for it goes right past that point.
Assuming you'll use DS in the 69, are you going to mount it there also?
Yes, if I can.
It is a good location normally. Only factor with this car is that it might get 3x2 carb setup, and that might need the extra room. I also am installing a Vintage Air system, so I have to work around that. I will post a pic once I get it mounted.
On a 70 I built years ago, I mounted the module hidden below the battery tray. I doubt I would do that again. My main theme on this car is ease of maintenance.
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MS wrote:
My main theme on this car is ease of maintenance.
And hopefully simplicity 😌
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MS wrote:
My main theme on this car is ease of maintenance.
What is there to maintain on the Duraspark ignition module?
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Nos681 wrote:
MS wrote:
My main theme on this car is ease of maintenance.
What is there to maintain on the Duraspark ignition module?
Keep it from over heating.
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So for a 302 its sounds like the 1985 GT mustang for the DS distributor. Would you use the same for the DS ignition Module?
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77-85 mustang had the large cap distributor setup… verify single vacuum not dual vacuum advance.
Blue grommet ignition module “federal emissions”.
Pre 77 distributors used a female small diameter cap.
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Steve69 wrote:
So for a 302 its sounds like the 1985 GT mustang for the DS distributor. Would you use the same for the DS ignition Module?
1955 was the only year you could get a roller cam and carb in a Mustang,. So, yes, if you have a roller cam.
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On my 69, I used a brand new duraspark distributor with steel gear for 85 Mustang roller cam 5.0. I have purchased several of these from both Autozone and RockAuto for about $80.
I installed an early small cap so that my three deuce carb setup will fit. Am using blue strain relief duraspark module. These vary in price from $30 to $60. Ford brand is preferred. These systems are pretty bulletproof in my opinion. I think if you go cheap on the module they are more prone to overheating issues. Get a good one.
I prefer a distributor cap with the male terminals, but could not find a small cap with the male terminals.
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Bolted to Floor wrote:
Steve69 wrote:
So for a 302 its sounds like the 1985 GT mustang for the DS distributor. Would you use the same for the DS ignition Module?
1955 was the only year you could get a roller cam and carb in a Mustang,. So, yes, if you have a roller cam.
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