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For the spirited street driving?
Please include engine size...to compare same-same.
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Dan, I would say something that's done by 5500-6000 RPM. I will be curious to see the rest of the responses.
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Is this a question so you can copy one of our setups?
Or because you just want to know what they are?
I'm not be facetious, if I'm going to offer advice I need to know what your setup is, and what you want to accomplish.
For me, running a stock Ford factory hydraulic cam in the 289 in my '67. Engine's done reving at 5,000. Makes decent power with the bolt ons. T5, 3.50 rear gear.
'89 GT project with a 331 stroker, AFR 185 heads, and many, many other goodies is running a Crane roller 220/228 @0.050 .542/5.63 lift on a 112 degree LSA. Looking for 425-450HP from that engine. T5, 3.73 rear gear.
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5.0 roller motor/ 306 cu. in 230/236 @ 050 .500/ .500 on a 108* LSA (tight LSA = "light switch effect" lotsa power down low....done by 5500 or so..... on/off like a light switch! )
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This is my Comp Cams hydraulic flat tappet in my 393w & AFR 185 heads. It's not Sally approved, butt...
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There are a lot of discussions for cam suggestions for the strokers.
I rarely hear the suggestions for stock to mild builds (basic .010-.040 rebuilds).
Or even for turbo and nitrous builds.
The only exposure I’ve had are with the stock 5.0 and Edelbrock Performer 289 cams in different engines.
This is with the use of E7 ( stock and gasket matched) and unported C9 heads respectively.
Spirited driving at this time.
All inputs are appreciated regardless of engine size.
Last edited by Nos681 (4/15/2020 2:32 PM)
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For a basic rebuild with mildly improved stock heads I would advise using something like one of the Ford Racing cams for anything with E7TE heads. Stock and mildly modified those cams always worked great. The B cam is quite good, and so is the E cam if you want a little more.
For an early head car with a flat tappet cam I'd look for something with a bit more exhaust duration and/or lift. The intake ports tend to work better and the exhaust flow needs help.
For nitrous or turbo applications the cam doesn't matter that much until you start making tons of power. Usually those engines run a fairly mild cam because you want to keep the cylinder pressure in, and they don't ten to run radical compression ratios because they don't have to. In a power adder application the power is made by the power adder, not so much the engine its on. If I want more power from a blower engine its a lot easier to swap pulleys than it is to swap a cam. On a nitrous engine just add more nitrous and fuel. Turbos can be trickier, but typically unless the turbo(s) on it are already maxed you can just adjust the wastegate to allow more boost pressure.
When in doubt, call one of the cam companies. I'm partial to Crane as I feel I've always been given good advice and they actually pick up the phone on the tech line.
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This is the can I'm using in my 351w it is a Lunati voodoo 268. Advertised Duration (Int/Exh): 268/276; Duration @ .050 (Int/Exh): 227/233; Gross Valve Lift (Int/Exh): .522/.538; LSA/ICL: 110/106; Valve Lash (Int/Exh): Hyd/Hyd; RPM Range: 1800-6200
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Here is my cam, it's a Comp and is in a 331CI. SBF
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I have a Comp roller in my 351w. XR270RF-HR10
All at 0.050 lift.
Int - 218 deg
exh - 224 deg
lift - both 0.513
lsa - 110 deg
Supposedly works 1500rpm to 5000rpm Mine actually pulls from 1200rpm and dies @~5500rpm
Engine - '70 351w w/ ported D0OE iron heads
Last edited by lowercasesteve (4/15/2020 4:40 PM)
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Yup. My cam card is identical.
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Does anyone know lift limitations for 92 Mustang 5.0 (E7 stock/exhaust port matched)?
2000 Explorer 5.0 (GT40P Bone Stock 😜)?
Also have 351w/ C9 heads? (Screw in studs/plates/roller rockers/ Eddie 351w performer springs)
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Nos681 wrote:
Does anyone know lift limitations for 92 Mustang 5.0 (E7 stock/exhaust port matched)?
2000 Explorer 5.0 (GT40P Bone Stock 😜)?
Also have 351w/ C9 heads? (Screw in studs/plates/roller rockers/ Eddie 351w performer springs)
Very Google-able (zata word?!) I'll look it up BUTT..........I do know the P heads are severally limited to cam lift without a buncha work. The nice ports are what makes the heads desireable...... Note the valves are pretty small and they still flow really well.
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In theory the max lift for the stock springs in the E7TE heads is 0.500", but that's new springs and assuming everything stacks up right. I would not put a bigger cam in an engine with stock valve springs that are at this point 30 years old. I would get a set of the springs recommended by the cam manufacturer.
The GT40 and GT40p heads flow great at low lift. That's what they were designed to do. If a stock or stockish engine suits you they are a great choice. If you are trying to find cheap heads for a real performance build to avoid spending $1,000 on a real set of heads; look elsewhere. They just require too much work. If budget is the constraint I'd look for used Edelbrock, Trick Flow, etc. heads over trying to rework a set of GT40 or GT40P heads.
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I’ve had fun and no problems with the Performer 289 cam and the stock 5.0 HO cams.
Just looking at possible options at this time.
May have to think about this a bit more this summer.
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Dan what you have is fine for your engine, mildly improved stock. You could go real old school and use 1.7 RR's on the exhaust side, butt whatever don't go to an alphabet cam.
Fer my combo; 331, AFR185 58cc heads, Exploder intake, 65mm TB, 70mm MAF, 30lb inj. 2400 Stall, 3.55 rear gears, Moates Quarterhorse ECCIV
Lunati SB Ford Voodoo Hydraulic Roller Cam - (272/280)This is the performance street profile out of the Voodoo series of hydraulic roller camshafts for the 302HO and 351W engine. Strong mid-range power with a noticeable idle quality for the drive in crowd<6S6. Really good performance street and open track camshaft in 302-311 cubic inch engines. 2400+ RPM stall converter for automatics. Works best with good flowing cylinder heads and aftermarket induction system. Requires 3.55 or higher numerical rear gears. Tubular headers and free flowing mufflers and dual exhaust system recommended.Will work with factory Mass-Air systems without modification.SPECIFICATIONS:
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Still doing some learning here….
What kind of idle vacuum do you have?
Trying to understand the differences of same cam in 5.0L and 351w.
Assuming all else the same.
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331 Trick Flow stage 2 Cam
Fair idle, good midrange power
Basic Operating RPM Range - 2,500-6,000 RPM
Elderbrock Rpm Heads 202 Intake 190 exhaust
five-speed 3.73 gears
Duration @ .050" - 224°/232°
Valve Lift with 1.6 Rocker - .542/.563
Lobe Separation - 112
16 inch vacuum
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Nos681 wrote:
Still doing some learning here….
What kind of idle vacuum do you have?
Trying to understand the differences of same cam in 5.0L and 351w.
Assuming all else the same.
The primary difference is that with 50 more cubes the same cam will be done about 500 RPM sooner in terms of winding out, and deliver a somewhat smoother idle. Keep in mind that when cam companies give guidelines like "1,500-5,500RPM" they are considering the cam in a 350 cubic inch engine. That's just the standard most of them use. In a smaller engine that same cam will be more radical (worse idle, power moves up in the RPM range, etc.). The better the idle the better the vacuum will be.
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My Statistics:
Rebuilt 351W, 0.40”; 1975 ‘Roller cam’ block, 9.5 CR
Heads: Edelbrock – “Performer“- 60329
Cam: Comp Cams: Hydraulic Roller, XE270HR, 35-351-8
Intake Manifold: Edelbrock – “Performer RPM” - 7181
Carburetor: 600 CFM Holley DP; #4776
Transmission: WC T-5
Rear End: 9”, Auburn posi, 3.89 gears.
Idle Vacuum: 16-17” @~ 900RPM
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Im not sure what cam I have in my 69 Mustang. Its a flat tappet that was in there when I bought it 30 years ago. I did just by a XE274 comp roller cam for my explorer engine I've been working on. I watched to many Richard Holdener's videos...LOL I did come across this video. This guy is running a turbo with a stock camshaft. He's running the Budget friendly AFR enforcer 185 heads. Sn95 Mustang AFR Enforcer Head Install - YouTube
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This is what I am running in my 427w with Novi 2000, TEA CNC'd 205R heads, etc.
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Raymond_B wrote:
This is what I am running in my 427w with Novi 2000, TEA CNC'd 205R heads, etc.
How do you keep rear tires on that?
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Rudi wrote:
Raymond_B wrote:
This is what I am running in my 427w with Novi 2000, TEA CNC'd 205R heads, etc.
How do you keep rear tires on that?
It's quite the challenge even with 315/60/15 ET Streets
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