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7/06/2022 8:42 PM  #1


EFI misfire or misfit

I am having a misfire problem with the new setup on my coupe. 
Has a rebuilt 5.0, unknown cam. E7 heads. A9L ecm (Thanks Glen) Painless wiring harness, MAF, Holley Systemax intake, new spark plugs, new wires, new cap and rotor, used coil, long tube headers, (welded bungs at collectors for O2 sensors) Set the timing at 10-11 with the spout unhooked. 
When i am driving it in 5th gear at about 1500 to 1900 rpm, when I step on the gas it will backfire and start to accelerate. Seems to misfire as it is accelerating. Idles fine and does not backfire when just revving it in the shed. Ran a koeo test and just get egr codes. I have a resistor eliminator wired in but don't think i made it correctly. Left the list down at the shed, but i will get them tomorrow.
Any and all ideas welcome.

 


67 Coupe, 5.0 EEC IV Fuel injected. T5, 3:70 rear
 

7/06/2022 8:51 PM  #2


Re: EFI misfire or misfit

Punching it at 1500 rpm with a stock cam can cause lugging and bad firing.  Not necessarily your problem.  Basically, you are too low on the power curve.

What is your rear end ratio?  One of the 2.79-2.80 rear ends will make the problem worse.


Original owner - 351w,T-5, 4whl disks, power R&P
 

7/06/2022 8:51 PM  #3


Re: EFI misfire or misfit

Punching it at 1500 rpm with a stock cam can cause lugging and bad firing.  Not necessarily your problem.  Basically, you are too low on the power curve.

What is your rear end ratio?  One of the 2.79-2.80 rear ends will make the problem worse.


Original owner - 351w,T-5, 4whl disks, power R&P
 

7/06/2022 9:27 PM  #4


Re: EFI misfire or misfit

I would verify resistance of all plug wires and verify they are going to correct location.

Did you verify camshaft firing order?  Since it is an unknown. Possibly?
Even a 289 firing order will run but idle is affected…look up Mustangs Plus efi swap.

Did you perform the engine balance test?
That may help locate which cylinders to look at first.

 

7/07/2022 6:34 AM  #5


Re: EFI misfire or misfit

It shouldn't backfire.  Lugging would be normal at that RPM in 5th gear, but it shouldn't backfire.  My first thought would be to get that EGR code sorted.  EFI cars use EGR to lean the mixture at cruising speeds for better fuel mileage.  I'm wondering if this is your issue. 

If your firing order was the old style vs. the 351/5.0 the engine would run, but would generally not run well.  I did this once on a 351 in a Bronco I had years ago.  If its running good otherwise I'd say firing order is likely not your issue.  Worth double checking, but I doubt this is the cause.
 

 

7/07/2022 6:57 AM  #6


Re: EFI misfire or misfit

If EGR is removed you really should have a resistor bridge in the circuitry to fake out the ECM.  But I don't believe the lack there of will cause it to pop back through the TB.  I have had this happen a couple of times at cold startup while I was sorting out my last foolishness.  What I found was a bad Hall pick-up coil in the dizzy.  I discovered that after about an hour heat soak, the ignition went to crap and though it would run, it was just barely running but I don't recall any backfiring other than during startup. 
All I can suggest is that you systematically trouble shoot the fuel and ignition systems and make dang sure there are no vacuum leaks.  I'd start with the vac leaks.  I plugged every vac line including the line to the PCV.  Made no difference.  Then I checked the fuel pressure.  Right on.  Then started on the ignition.  Last thing was the Hall pickup since the dizzy needs to be pressed apart to replace it.  That was the culprit.
When I was fooling with cams/injectors/etc....making a hot rod....I installed an AFR gauge.  Best tool on the car for seeing if the EFI system is working correctly.

Oh...PM me your email addy and I'll shoot you the schematic for a simple three resistor bridge for the ECR removal.

Last edited by Bullet Bob (7/07/2022 6:59 AM)


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7/07/2022 7:55 AM  #7


Re: EFI misfire or misfit

BB is 100% correct in that you need an A/F gauge. Are the injectors stock? Is the MAF? What is the fuel pressure at idle with the vacuum line off the regulator?

 

7/07/2022 8:20 PM  #8


Re: EFI misfire or misfit

Well i redid the resistor plug for the egr eliminator, took it for a test drive and no backfire. Tried quite a few times and it never backfired once. Had a stumble once, before it warmed up, but that was it.
Before i drove it, i tested all the plug wires, checked the firing order and unplugged the battery for an hour. Ran a koeo test and got codes 67-81-82-85-84. it cycled through those again and then 11-51
After i got back i got the same codes with 11-33
 
The first time i made this i just soldered the resistors one to each pin and hooked them together at the top.

I am assuming the ecm was changing the timing to adjust for exhaust gas reciculating and causing the backfire. Just a theory.

Now its cocktail time

 

Last edited by Alan (7/07/2022 8:28 PM)


67 Coupe, 5.0 EEC IV Fuel injected. T5, 3:70 rear
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