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8/20/2022 11:44 AM  #1


Wire Routing; 87-93 Mustang Inside Rear View Mirror in a 65 Mustang

I have an 87-93 Mustang Convertible Inside Rear View Mirror, including the wiring (3 wires), that I want to install in my 65 Mustang fastback and am trying to determine the best way to do it.  The interior is finished and I do not want to take down the headliner.
Is it possible to snake the wiring through the windshield frame channel at the top of the windshield, over to the A-Pillar and down into the interior?  Are these two frame channels open to one another?  I do realize that even if the channels are open to one another, it will still be quite tricky to accomplish.
I’m also considering running the wiring from the mirror along the gap between the windshield rubber and the headliner on the inside of the interior, over to the A-Pillar channel, make a hole in the headliner and snake the wiring down the A-Pillar into the interior behind the kick panel.  Or I could continue the wiring in this same windshield gap down along the windshield and dashboard and then behind the dash. 
I believe some members have done this mod, any ideas and assistance is appreciated.


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

8/20/2022 11:50 AM  #2


Re: Wire Routing; 87-93 Mustang Inside Rear View Mirror in a 65 Mustang

What about new plastic panels they produce now to cover the a pillar.

 

8/20/2022 1:09 PM  #3


Re: Wire Routing; 87-93 Mustang Inside Rear View Mirror in a 65 Mustang

I have a flat four cable fro the alarm system going from the mirror area, under the windshield seal inside flange to the right and down the A pillar to the dash pad, then under it. On the left I have the wire for the blue tooth mike going the same route to the left side of the dash pad.  So you won't have to loosen the pad  you could remove the dash cover trim that screws down under the windshield gasket to route wires to the center of the dash where they could go through the speaker opening or a defroster opening.  If the wires are small they will hide nicely under the gasket flange at the top and sides of the windshield.
If this makes no sense let me know and I'll send or post some pix...not that they will show much.


 

Last edited by Bullet Bob (8/20/2022 1:13 PM)


"you get what you pay for, good work isn't cheap, and there are NO free lunches...PERIOD!"
 

8/21/2022 9:38 PM  #4


Re: Wire Routing; 87-93 Mustang Inside Rear View Mirror in a 65 Mustang



This is what I have on my 65 coupe.
Appears there is a channel that could be used inside the A-pillar.
I tried from both directions with thin safety wire without success.
Might have to enlarge the existing or add an additional larger hole to get wires through.
Either way, not possible without minor partial headliner removal.

Another option I see is going across the headliner rods and to the quarter panel C-pillar and across door sill plate.

I’m not familiar with layout of Fastback C-pillar structure.

Funny you mentioned this map light mirror, I have one from a 2001 Mustang convertible.
I even have the visor lights and wiring.

If you use BB’s route around windshield trim, you could use SEM color coat if needed on where wiring is exposed to make it disappear as needed/if needed.

 

8/22/2022 12:20 AM  #5


Re: Wire Routing; 87-93 Mustang Inside Rear View Mirror in a 65 Mustang

This would be the easiest way route them behind these https://www.mpproductsstore.com/1965-1966-1967-1968-must.html

 

8/22/2022 8:27 AM  #6


Re: Wire Routing; 87-93 Mustang Inside Rear View Mirror in a 65 Mustang



Nos681 – thank you for your picture, it is helpful to see where the A-Pillar channel actually meets the top windshield channel.  I can see that even if both these channels are open to one another, making that turn would be difficult to accomplish.  The picture attached is the OEM headliner in my 65 (looks like I have some detailed cleaning to complete!). 
The mirror I have has the map/courtesy lights mounted in the mirror assembly.
How did you run the wiring for your 2001 mirror?
 
True74yamaha - you are correct, these covers would be the easiest way to accomplish, I didn’t realize these were available, I think I'll be going that route, thanks for the info. 


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
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8/22/2022 5:55 PM  #7


Re: Wire Routing; 87-93 Mustang Inside Rear View Mirror in a 65 Mustang

Mirror is in a box.

How did you modify the mirror bracket?
Or do you plan to use a windshield bracket?

 

8/25/2022 12:30 PM  #8


Re: Wire Routing; 87-93 Mustang Inside Rear View Mirror in a 65 Mustang

I'll use the mounting bracket for the convertable mirror and glue to my windshield. 
I had an old 65-66 Mustang mirror that I've cut the mirror support bracket off, while mantaining the sun visor support portion.  I finished off the 'cut' portion with black piant the will tend to 'hide' it against the black headliner. 


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
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8/25/2022 12:35 PM  #9


Re: Wire Routing; 87-93 Mustang Inside Rear View Mirror in a 65 Mustang

You took the easy way. 😂

 

8/26/2022 11:02 AM  #10


Re: Wire Routing; 87-93 Mustang Inside Rear View Mirror in a 65 Mustang

Nos681 wrote:

You took the easy way. 😂

Yes, I did, what are your plans? 
 


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
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8/27/2022 10:19 AM  #11


Re: Wire Routing; 87-93 Mustang Inside Rear View Mirror in a 65 Mustang

I would like to use original mirror bracket.
Just have to figure out how to.
Newer mirrors don’t have the ball socket attached to mirror body.

I figure a simple attachment to back side of mirror.
Picked it up when I was doing my engine/transmission swap a few years ago.
Have been working on driveline and suspension changes and repairs.

 

8/27/2022 2:02 PM  #12


Re: Wire Routing; 87-93 Mustang Inside Rear View Mirror in a 65 Mustang

In looking it over, as the new mirror is thicker than the original, without trimming back the original bracket the new mirror would stick out further by about 1”.  I’ll look it over some more, and let you know if I come up with anything..
How do you plan to run the wiring?


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
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8/28/2022 10:26 AM  #13


Re: Wire Routing; 87-93 Mustang Inside Rear View Mirror in a 65 Mustang

When I scavenged the parts, I got what I could without diving deep into dash.
The visor mirror lights are in same wire harness.
The connectors for visor lights are both the same…verified it last night.
The wiring could be routed either way around the windshield or above the headliner.
As I recall, the convertible had removable cover plates and the wire harness retainers were attached at holes/tabs under the plates.

I measured the horizontal depth of mirror from windshield to face of mirror at approximately 4-1/4” to 4-1/2” inches.
Another thing to consider is the width/shape of the mirror too.
The factory visors may need to be modified…or slightly offset windshield bracket so driver side is a non issue.  It might look weird having it offset.  Although a dark tint at top may hide it.

I figure modifying the visors are the easiest option by an upholstery shop/marine upholstery.
Could probably be done in a day.

Parts from 2000/2001 Mustang v6 Mustang convertible.
The only part I didn’t get was the windshield bracket, didn’t want to break a good windshield…even if in a salvage yard.  Maybe someone might need it.  I’m sure its crushed by now.



Last edited by Nos681 (8/28/2022 10:32 AM)

 

8/28/2022 12:15 PM  #14


Re: Wire Routing; 87-93 Mustang Inside Rear View Mirror in a 65 Mustang

I’m staying with the original visors.  I checked the width of the convertible mirror for interference with these visors and there is none.  I plan to mount the convertible mirror in the same approximate location (distance from the windshield) as the OEM mirror.
If I didn’t have the headliner already installed, I would plan to run the wires through the top channel and down the A-pillar channel.


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
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8/28/2022 4:43 PM  #15


Re: Wire Routing; 87-93 Mustang Inside Rear View Mirror in a 65 Mustang

In our 66 HT I considered running the wires through the header channel and down through the A pillars.  Wouldn't go...blockage at the top of the a pillar.  That's why I ran things under the rubber flange of the gasket.  Invisible and works fine.  Easy too.
BB1
 


"you get what you pay for, good work isn't cheap, and there are NO free lunches...PERIOD!"
 

8/29/2022 8:54 AM  #16


Re: Wire Routing; 87-93 Mustang Inside Rear View Mirror in a 65 Mustang

Bullet Bob wrote:

In our 66 HT I considered running the wires through the header channel and down through the A pillars.  Wouldn't go...blockage at the top of the a pillar.  That's why I ran things under the rubber flange of the gasket.  Invisible and works fine.  Easy too.
BB1
 

BB1 - thank you for this feedback, I will struggle no more with the "A-pillar" routing decision. 
 


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
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