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9/12/2022 8:46 PM  #1


Help please. Wiith pointers on leveling front and along with rockers.

MY floor is so not level. I realize flat work is never flat but still wow.  I have my 1965 Mustang coupe. My car is a shell no engine trans  do and rear end and front suspension. I purchased some trailer leveler stands I used think plywood bases under stands leveled both directions. Dialed in the stands 4 for the rockers were dialed in at the same height. Placed stands on on bases lowered car on stands. All corners landed except one right rear. Then checked for level on rockers NO. I added two more levelers under the rockers this fixed the issue. Then I moved to the front of the car. I was able to level side to side  but when I level side to side my car lifs off the closest levelers to me on the rockers. When I check for rockers being level after leveling the front side to side it messes with the rockers being level. I did see a slight tear in the the drivers side frame rail near the brake lines. Other then that the frame looks nice. Never noticed the spot on frame till I removed all the sound deadener and undercoating.

Also can someone please post some pictures on where your measuring level on the car. I cant seem to get the FrameRail line level that runs under the front bumper bracket mount holes. I read thats a crucial spot to get level. Please some help suggestions or I wouldnt be apposed to yall coming to Salt Lake and teach me how its done.

 

9/12/2022 10:38 PM  #2


Re: Help please. Wiith pointers on leveling front and along with rockers.

Also my goal is to get my car level and ready to have the chassis jig slid under the car and weld in mounts.

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9/13/2022 5:43 AM  #3


Re: Help please. Wiith pointers on leveling front and along with rockers.

My thoughts are you are chasing your tail.  Mark where the stands will sit on the floor.  Roll the car out of the garage.  Use the longest level you have (ideally a 6').  You can also put the level atop a longer, rigid straight edge (piece of square metal tube, or a really straight 2x4 (very had to find nowadays)).  Check level side to side, front to back, and diagonally.  Find the highest spot.  That stand sits on the floor.  Then level each stand starting at the next highest point.  With each stand check level to the highest point stand and do not move on until it is perfect.  You can take measurements from the level to the ground to see what thickness shims you need.  Plywood comes in 1/4"-3/4" thicknesses, and you can use metal if you need a thinner shim.  For thicker than 3/4" you can use a short section of an LVL (local building site dumpster or lumber yard scrap pile).  They are typically 1-3/4" or 1-7/8" thick.  You can also use 2X lumber.

You have to constantly reference back to the highest point only when leveling.  I learned this years ago setting cabinets.  I built four stands from wood to hold my '89GT 4' off the ground with the weight on the tires so I could work underneath it.  They are all perfectly level, and I've marked the floor and numbered the stands so they can go back in those spots in the future. 
 

 

9/13/2022 10:07 AM  #4


Re: Help please. Wiith pointers on leveling front and along with rockers.


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9/14/2022 10:11 AM  #5


Re: Help please. Wiith pointers on leveling front and along with rockers.

TKOPerformance wrote:

.   I built four stands from wood to hold my '89GT 4' off the ground with the weight on the tires so I could work underneath it.  
 

HOW....did you get the 89 up 4' to put it on the stands?  And then back down on the ground afterwards?
Not being ugly............just curious........
6sally6
 


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9/14/2022 7:24 PM  #6


Re: Help please. Wiith pointers on leveling front and along with rockers.

Im getting some flex in the rear of the car. I now have level side to side on the core support. Level on rockers both driver and passenger. Using some jacks in the rear I can level out the rails. Looks like I got advantageous and spot welded in my shock brack maybe wrong. Which is odd has to be close to the position as i went from old flange material Measurments. Also by how it lined up with the new transition panel spot weld holes that I drilled out. Brace is not level the same directrion as the package tray and the Same with using a level on the dash over the windsheild defrost vent holes. I am going to remove the rear shock crossmember i think. When I tacked the crossmember in I didnt have the entire car on stands. I only leveled the Im thinking the rear needs to come out to see if I can level the rails easier. Other note im saying the rear rails are flexing because while having the jacks under the rails leveling  them out it made the passengers side rocker not level. Lowered the lil upward pressure on the rear rails both sides and it made fixed the passenger side rocker level reading.

I think im going to buy some string levels mount a few going from rock to rocker on the bottom side of the floor. Also dedating cutting more floor out so that I can then place a level across the rear frame rails behind the torque box vertical flange. I have not added stands under the rear axle or the floor supports due to that I want to slide my jig under the car. Also my rear trunk crossmember has also been removed. Any suggestions?

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9/14/2022 10:05 PM  #7


Re: Help please. Wiith pointers on leveling front and along with rockers.

One problem ill have is if i place stands under the rear rails my jig  wouldnt be able to slide under the car. Also have to isue now of the rearend being to low and hits the top of my jig. Other wise I could slide it freely underneath.  Hmm so im thinking I may need to level the rear rails later once the jig is slid underneath the car. Then after the jig is checked and leveled. Then I was going to fabricate my vertical attachment fixtures that will be welded to my jig. Im thinking I should do also as instructed and buy aome lumber and build some stand bases. This way I can get my car also a little higher. Any reconmendations for stand base top material? OSB or MDF? Then also use some 2x4s shim as needed. I would like the car higher to also be able to get it on a rotisserie. I was thinking I would like to fabricate a vertical up right for my chassis jig at some point to be able to rotate my car and make my jig more universal. I was thinking of using a 4 lug rear axle that would be my main rotating device I would weld the axle tube to the chassis jig vertical post. Then with the axle shaft installed i would be able to roatate the brake hub assembly. I would use the hub assembly to mount the vertical post and rotisserie arms. To rotate the axle shaft i saw in a thread a guy used worm gear trailer winch or jack that was welded to the axle shaft. Dunno if thats a good idea or not. I was debating on using a weld on pipe flange that has holes predrilled for a locking hub for the rotisserie but then I saw the thread with the rearend and worm gear winch being used. I though id ask the experts HERE.

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9/15/2022 6:45 AM  #8


Re: Help please. Wiith pointers on leveling front and along with rockers.

6sally6 wrote:

TKOPerformance wrote:

.   I built four stands from wood to hold my '89GT 4' off the ground with the weight on the tires so I could work underneath it.  
 

HOW....did you get the 89 up 4' to put it on the stands? And then back down on the ground afterwards?
Not being ugly............just curious........
6sally6
 

2 post lift.  The answer is far simpler and safer than it seems.  Sadly no good story here
 

 

9/15/2022 6:53 AM  #9


Re: Help please. Wiith pointers on leveling front and along with rockers.

True74yamaha wrote:

One problem ill have is if i place stands under the rear rails my jig wouldnt be able to slide under the car. Also have to isue now of the rearend being to low and hits the top of my jig. Other wise I could slide it freely underneath. Hmm so im thinking I may need to level the rear rails later once the jig is slid underneath the car. Then after the jig is checked and leveled. Then I was going to fabricate my vertical attachment fixtures that will be welded to my jig. Im thinking I should do also as instructed and buy aome lumber and build some stand bases. This way I can get my car also a little higher. Any reconmendations for stand base top material? OSB or MDF? Then also use some 2x4s shim as needed. I would like the car higher to also be able to get it on a rotisserie. I was thinking I would like to fabricate a vertical up right for my chassis jig at some point to be able to rotate my car and make my jig more universal. I was thinking of using a 4 lug rear axle that would be my main rotating device I would weld the axle tube to the chassis jig vertical post. Then with the axle shaft installed i would be able to roatate the brake hub assembly. I would use the hub assembly to mount the vertical post and rotisserie arms. To rotate the axle shaft i saw in a thread a guy used worm gear trailer winch or jack that was welded to the axle shaft. Dunno if thats a good idea or not. I was debating on using a weld on pipe flange that has holes predrilled for a locking hub for the rotisserie but then I saw the thread with the rearend and worm gear winch being used. I though id ask the experts HERE.

2x4s are plenty strong if you load them properly.  For flat material I would not use anything other than 3/4" (23/32") CDX plywood.  MDF will fail from moisture and has no strength in flexion or tension, and OSB is more likely to fail from water/fluid interaction.  For my stands I built the tops at 18"x18", framed rings of 2x4s for the top (with 2 "joists equally spaced inside the ring) and bottom, then ran vertical 2x4s at each corner.  I added cross bracing as well.  I used structural grade 3" screws at all connections.  3/4" CDX for the tops secured with 1-5/8" screws and glue.  When I set the car on them nothing so much as creaked.  I left the bottom rings a slip fit until I had each stand level based on the method given above.  This allowed me to trim the bottoms of the vertical 2x4s and then secure the ring.  I'll see if I can get a pic to load.
 

 

9/23/2022 6:35 PM  #10


Re: Help please. Wiith pointers on leveling front and along with rockers.

Think I chose my material to raise my RV levelers for my Mustang. I have extra 11gauge 2" x 3". along with extra 16 gauge sheet from project. I was thinking of cutting out some of the 2 x 3 and making them into a 8" x 7" base. Topped with 16 gauge sheet that or I may just go heavier and go to the steel yard and get a sheet of 1/8" or 3/16" for the top what would be a good idea? I was next thinking of using elevator bolts from lowes beleive they are 3//8"-16 x 3" I was thinking of using welding a few coupling nuts and washers to the 8"x 7" bases then I would have adjustable bases to place jack stands or my RV levelers on. The only weak link id be worried about would be the elevator bolt but im not sure.  Any suggestions on top plate material thinkness and on the elevator bolts. I guess I could go bigger bolts for leveling the bases nice. Maybe 3/4" all thread with a nice size washer or floor flange welded to the end of it to make it into a nice leveler.

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9/23/2022 7:09 PM  #11


Re: Help please. Wiith pointers on leveling front and along with rockers.

I have an alternative:  
A length of clear tubing when set in a U shape and almost filled with water will have the water levels at each end the same height.  Then use that to find the highest stand.  Then still using the tube adjust the other stands to the same height.   That's how my contractor levels framing over long spreads.

You may need a buddy to do this.


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9/24/2022 6:55 AM  #12


Re: Help please. Wiith pointers on leveling front and along with rockers.

lowercasesteve wrote:

I have an alternative:  
A length of clear tubing when set in a U shape and almost filled with water will have the water levels at each end the same height.  Then use that to find the highest stand.  Then still using the tube adjust the other stands to the same height.   That's how my contractor levels framing over long spreads.

You may need a buddy to do this.

It works, but a transit or laser is a better option, and can be done by yourself. 
 

 

9/24/2022 12:54 PM  #13


Re: Help please. Wiith pointers on leveling front and along with rockers.

I did buy my self a cross be laser level. I just now need to buy myself a short tripod for it.

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9/24/2022 1:47 PM  #14


Re: Help please. Wiith pointers on leveling front and along with rockers.

Tko im fine with wood I just have some excess steel around. And also was thinking because im living at my Moms house now and I dont know how long my car will be parked here. So I was thinking the 2" x 3" steel cut out into a 8"x7" square. With a recessed plate that the RV levelers or my jack stands can sit on. Securely. Plus Ill be ordering my laser level tripod soon as well to help me out.

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9/25/2022 12:11 AM  #15


Re: Help please. Wiith pointers on leveling front and along with rockers.

I have taken four jack stands 6 ton stands work easier to get the car higher up.  to put the car on a rotisserie. I have used a 4x4 under the rocker before r
With a jack underneath to raise the car up. This enabled me to mount one car on a rotisserie id just do the same method to get my car high enough. With my car on the jig it would alreadt be pretty high to begin with. I would just have to raise the car up off the body mounts.

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