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1/01/2023 12:08 PM  #1


Winter Project - Installing Flaming River Electric Steering

I currently have the Borgeson power steerting kit installed on my 1966 Mustang and I am in the process of removing that to install the Flaming River Microsteer electric power steering kit. After removing the existing steering column I encountered my first problem. Years ago I installed a new pedal support kit and that kit has the two column mounting bolts welded to it. The Flaming River kit has a new column mounting bracket that has through bolts. So it looks like I am going to have to remove the pedal support bracket and cut the bolt threads off and grind the bolt heads flush with the bracket. 


1966, vert, 347 stroker, T5z, 4 wheel disc, pb, 3.70 LS 9", EPAS
 

1/01/2023 2:20 PM  #2


Re: Winter Project - Installing Flaming River Electric Steering

Keith, I really like the idea of EPAS.  Going to be helping a friend install one from a Corolla in a early 50's Williys pickup.  Then...who knows.


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1/01/2023 4:38 PM  #3


Re: Winter Project - Installing Flaming River Electric Steering

Bullet Bob wrote:

Keith, I really like the idea of EPAS.  Going to be helping a friend install one from a Corolla in a early 50's Williys pickup.  Then...who knows.

A Tie-yoda in a Woolies....interesting
6sal6
 


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1/01/2023 6:01 PM  #4


Re: Winter Project - Installing Flaming River Electric Steering

KeithP wrote:

I currently have the Borgeson power steerting kit installed on my 1966 Mustang and I am in the process of removing that to install the Flaming River Microsteer electric power steering kit. After removing the existing steering column I encountered my first problem. Years ago I installed a new pedal support kit and that kit has the two column mounting bolts welded to it. The Flaming River kit has a new column mounting bracket that has through bolts. So it looks like I am going to have to remove the pedal support bracket and cut the bolt threads off and grind the bolt heads flush with the bracket. 

question....what happens going down road and power goes out does it steer like a regular non-power steering car or does it do like how a power steering car does and get really hard to steer?
 


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1/01/2023 6:03 PM  #5


Re: Winter Project - Installing Flaming River Electric Steering

over all is that easier to install than the borgerson?...and why you changin?


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1/01/2023 7:29 PM  #6


Re: Winter Project - Installing Flaming River Electric Steering

What is wrong with the Borgeson installation? Looks like more work to install that electric one. I've had no issues with my Borgeson system in the 12 years that I have had mine installed.


68 coupe - 351W, 4R70W, 9" 3.25 -- 65 convertible - 289 4v, C4, 8" 3.00
 

1/01/2023 10:37 PM  #7


Re: Winter Project - Installing Flaming River Electric Steering

Ron68 wrote:

What is wrong with the Borgeson installation? Looks like more work to install that electric one. I've had no issues with my Borgeson system in the 12 years that I have had mine installed.

Good questions. I wanted to clean up the engine bay and wanted to have a tilt column. So, I decided to do the new electric steering too. I'll put the Borgeson system and the steering column up for sale on the swap meet page when I have the electric steering installed and working.
Over the years I've also pulled out the 289 and installed a 351, pulled off the brum brakes and installed 4 wheel power disc brakes, pulled out the 8" rear and installed a 9", pulled out the 4 speed and installed a 5 speed, installed a 24" radiator and dual electric fans. So, why not one more thing. Trying to keep the economy going!


1966, vert, 347 stroker, T5z, 4 wheel disc, pb, 3.70 LS 9", EPAS
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1/02/2023 12:32 PM  #8


Re: Winter Project - Installing Flaming River Electric Steering

KeithP – do you currently have the OEM power steering setup, or an upgrade to a R&P setup?
Either way, what are you doing about the hydraulic portion of the existing system?
And a curious question, I see the motor sets 90 degrees from the column, does the motor sit to the right or left of the column?  (Either way, seems like a tight fit in both those areas)


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

1/02/2023 2:47 PM  #9


Re: Winter Project - Installing Flaming River Electric Steering

I had OEM manual steering. I upgraded to the Borgeson power steering kit. So with that kit, I replaced the steering box, added ps pump. new crank pulley and cut the steering column(added internal bearing inside lower steering column) and probably some other things I can't remember. Now with the Electric steering, I replaced the steering box with a 16:1 manual box from Flaming River. The Flaming River motor sits to the left of the column at about 10:30 on a clock. I have not gotten to that point of install so I am not sure how tight it is or if the clocking can be changed.


1966, vert, 347 stroker, T5z, 4 wheel disc, pb, 3.70 LS 9", EPAS
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1/03/2023 12:17 PM  #10


Re: Winter Project - Installing Flaming River Electric Steering

I think you will be happy with Electric Steering. Have EPAS in a Nautilus and S2000. Great road feel and reliable.
Saw the Flaming River Electric steer at Oklahoma City NSRA car show this past summer. looks like a quality product. American made

thks

 

1/10/2023 7:54 PM  #11


Re: Winter Project - Installing Flaming River Electric Steering

So, I was under the dash(and in the engine bay) pulling out the pedal support bracket to cut off the welded on nuts for the steering column bracket. Had to remove the brake lines on the master cylinder, pulled master cylinder forward and remove the screws from the instrument cluster(and pull the instrument cluster forward a couple of inches) and was able to remove the pedal support bracket. I cut off the column bolts, ground down the welds, painted and reinstalled. Then I started looking around under the dash and realized(or something like that) that the the original firewall insulation was, well it was original and needed to be replaced. Then it hit me and I thought that now was a good time to install an aftermarket A/C system, so I pulled out the heater box too. I have been looking for the A/C system upgrade for a while and I like the CAA Smart Series. Soooooo, now the electric steering mod turned into much more.  Many years ago I sprayed in Lizard Skin in part of the passenger compartment, but for some reason I stopped short of the original firewall insulation. So, I bought some sound/heat insulation material from Summit Racing that I now plan to install that on the firewall. I removed the front section of carpeting, and removed the replacement tar thing(can't remember the company that makes it) and plan to install the Summit Racing material in that area too.


1966, vert, 347 stroker, T5z, 4 wheel disc, pb, 3.70 LS 9", EPAS
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1/11/2023 10:18 AM  #12


Re: Winter Project - Installing Flaming River Electric Steering

Ahhh, every expanding projects!  Good luck.


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

1/11/2023 4:25 PM  #13


Re: Winter Project - Installing Flaming River Electric Steering

Keep the picturez  cum'in........(we love 'pitcherz'!)

6sally6


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1/22/2023 7:30 PM  #14


Re: Winter Project - Installing Flaming River Electric Steering

As usual the simple project gets bigger and bigger. I never did like the sheet metal screws that were holding on the steering column seal, brake lines, gas pedal and grounding lug to the firewall(I may have missed a few others). So, I decided to use my Rivnut tools I have accumulated over the years to eliminate the sheet metal screws. I will attach everything to the firewall with machine screws. WooHoo!




I also finished installing the heat and sound shield that I bought from Summit racing'


These are the tools I used to install the heat/sound shield.


1966, vert, 347 stroker, T5z, 4 wheel disc, pb, 3.70 LS 9", EPAS
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1/23/2023 2:55 PM  #15


Re: Winter Project - Installing Flaming River Electric Steering

My car still has the manual steering and I can't see a time where I will need power steering. For me, it feels like power steering just adds a layer of complexity to a simple car, so I hope to resist installing a set up.
But... the electric kits are interesting to see layed out like you show in the photos. Are they a drama to install?


1964-1/2 D Code Coupe - 289 V8, 4 Speed Toploader, 3.00 ratio rear, Autolite 4100 Carb, 15" tires, Pertronix ignition
 

1/23/2023 4:47 PM  #16


Re: Winter Project - Installing Flaming River Electric Steering

I’ve used Rivnuts in several locations and am happy with the installation.  My only caution is that the inner side of the Rivnut will be slightly raised from the panel that could affect the ‘flush’ mounting to the panel of whatever is being attached.  I believe that there is a tool to dimple this area, but I didn’t use it.


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

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