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Ford didn't plan ahead to help out errant mechanics who pull the seats in their 65 convertibles in order to replace the carpet. Lost two nuts and a 1/2" deep socket in the black hole that is the reinforcing box below the seats - you know, the one with the two internal shelves where the access holes are to remove the hold down nuts. Ran a magnet around as far as I could reach, but no joy. Not sure where the things went. Tapped with a mallet and couldn't hear them rattle around. Gotta get creative now - any ideas those of you who have experienced this issue?
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Try a big neodymium magnet along out side of box and see if anything moves.
May have to use more than one.
Place duct tape on side facing body to make “sliding” a little easier.
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An inspection camera would be very handy. Pretty sure HF has them. I have a Milwaukee one. Great for stuff like this.
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I used a small inspection mirror on a extending handle to locate one troublesome nut. Then a magnet that I taped the sides to keep it from sticking to the floor as I slid it towards the lost nut.
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For future reference, use paper tubes in the holes like tp or wax paper, cling wrap come rolled on.
Just cut them to length and push them into the holes, take ‘‘em out when you’re done.
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I used the flex cable magnet in there, instead of the antenna style magnet. Also, the three prong grabber might be a possibility if you can locate it with a scope.
You got to get that socket.out of there or you will regret the sound it makes every time you hit a bump for the rest of the time you own the car.
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Thank you all for your answers - gives me several options. I will head on over to HF and pick up that borescope thingy. If I can see it, then I can figure out how to reach it and the nuts too.
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A HOLE SAW is your friend !
how about a loop of heavy-ish wire (think lasso) in the hole and drag everything to the hole
(then the hole saw)
6sal6
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I lost 5 of the 8 nuts, and a socket, in my pans while trial fitting 95 seats in mine. Got 1 nut and the socket out with an old speaker magnet. I'll concentrate on getting the rest out when the seats go in to stay.
I learnt to use an empty TP roll in the hole, up to the nut ... stuff can only fall out of the roll.
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Big magnet under the pan. Move around until the socket follows the magnet over to the hole.
If no luck, pump the hole thing full of Liquid Nails and go for a drive. At least it will quit rattling.
I always use a 1/2”, 3/8 drive deep cocker with an extension to help keep control of the socket.
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MS wrote:
Big magnet under the pan. Move around until the socket follows the magnet over to the hole.
If no luck, pump the hole thing full of Liquid Nails and go for a drive. At least it will quit rattling.
I always use a 1/2”, 3/8 drive deep cocker with an extension to help keep control of the socket.
Guess I'm gonna have to get one o' them deep cockers when I put the seats back in..... :-) That's the socket I was using. As I pulled it out I got it cocked and it snagged on the edge of the hole - boink and it was gone. I have an endoscope being delivered tomorrow, but in the meantime I am having fun trimming the new carpet and locating all the necessary holes to cut. At least with a convertible, you can drop the top and have a lot of room to work.
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Another thought, attached a magnet w/duct tape to the area next to the access hole (or over it) and drive the car in a stop and go manner. The magnet should catch the nut and socket as is slides past.
Just a thought.
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Ron68 wrote:
MS wrote:
Big magnet under the pan. Move around until the socket follows the magnet over to the hole.
If no luck, pump the hole thing full of Liquid Nails and go for a drive. At least it will quit rattling.
I always use a 1/2”, 3/8 drive deep cocker with an extension to help keep control of the socket.Guess I'm gonna have to get one o' them deep cockers when I put the seats back in..... :-) That's the socket I was using. As I pulled it out I got it cocked and it snagged on the edge of the hole - boink and it was gone. I have an endoscope being delivered tomorrow, but in the meantime I am having fun trimming the new carpet and locating all the necessary holes to cut. At least with a convertible, you can drop the top and have a lot of room to work.
Ok, you caught me with a typo. My phone must have “self-corrected” to that without me catching it. Normally I would go back and edit my response, but then it would take away from your response, so I will leave it alone. Cocker should be socket. That was a pretty major typo for me. It is difficult for my recovering perfectionist self to leave it that way but, what the heck, I couldn’t call it recovering if I tried to fix everything.
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Maybe some louder mufflers would help...lol. Good luck with finding them. Id dry longer magnet also. Harbor freight has a lot of different sizes.
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MS wrote:
Ron68 wrote:
MS wrote:
Big magnet under the pan. Move around until the socket follows the magnet over to the hole.
If no luck, pump the hole thing full of Liquid Nails and go for a drive. At least it will quit rattling.
I always use a 1/2”, 3/8 drive deep cocker with an extension to help keep control of the socket.Guess I'm gonna have to get one o' them deep cockers when I put the seats back in..... :-) That's the socket I was using. As I pulled it out I got it cocked and it snagged on the edge of the hole - boink and it was gone. I have an endoscope being delivered tomorrow, but in the meantime I am having fun trimming the new carpet and locating all the necessary holes to cut. At least with a convertible, you can drop the top and have a lot of room to work.
Ok, you caught me with a typo. My phone must have “self-corrected” to that without me catching it. Normally I would go back and edit my response, but then it would take away from your response, so I will leave it alone. Cocker should be socket. That was a pretty major typo for me. It is difficult for my recovering perfectionist self to leave it that way but, what the heck, I couldn’t call it recovering if I tried to fix everything.
It just goes the show that you are human, and you can laugh at yourself - a very important trait to have. ( I did Google deep cocker though - just in case... )
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Ron68 wrote:
MS wrote:
Ron68 wrote:
Guess I'm gonna have to get one o' them deep cockers when I put the seats back in..... :-) That's the socket I was using. As I pulled it out I got it cocked and it snagged on the edge of the hole - boink and it was gone. I have an endoscope being delivered tomorrow, but in the meantime I am having fun trimming the new carpet and locating all the necessary holes to cut. At least with a convertible, you can drop the top and have a lot of room to work.
Ok, you caught me with a typo. My phone must have “self-corrected” to that without me catching it. Normally I would go back and edit my response, but then it would take away from your response, so I will leave it alone. Cocker should be socket. That was a pretty major typo for me. It is difficult for my recovering perfectionist self to leave it that way but, what the heck, I couldn’t call it recovering if I tried to fix everything.
It just goes the show that you are human, and you can laugh at yourself - a very important trait to have. ( I did Google deep cocker though - just in case... )
Hopefully there were no kids around when you did that!
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Jack the rear of the car up really high, then try bumping the bottom with the rubber mallet.
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We have success!! With a $35 Amazon endoscope and some creative work with a magnet and a brazing rod I was able to locate and retrieve my socket, the two nuts I lost - and two additional nuts lost by someone else in the past almost 60 years!
For those not familiar with the underbelly of a convertible, the reinforcing boxes located below the seats that non convertibles don't have, have two levels. The items lost were in the upper level so tapping and sliding a magnet would not have worked.
Now to devise a sure way to not lose my nuts or socket when I reinstall the seats.
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Ron68 wrote:
We have success!! With a $35 Amazon endoscope and some creative work with a magnet and a brazing rod I was able to locate and retrieve my socket, the two nuts I lost - and two additional nuts lost by someone else in the past almost 60 years!
For those not familiar with the underbelly of a convertible, the reinforcing boxes located below the seats that non convertibles don't have, have two levels. The items lost were in the upper level so tapping and sliding a magnet would not have worked.
Now to devise a sure way to not lose my nuts or socket when I reinstall the seats.
Use the toilet paper roll tube or similar that I mentioned previously.
Use about 10 turns of electrical tape to secure the socket to the extension, use 1 turn of the same tape to hold the nut to the socket.
Good luck!
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Yep, I found extra nuts up in there too.
Duct tape works, but I bought a 3/8 locking socket extension.
It has a push button on the side. It holds sockets pretty darn good, its even better when you have to make a mega extention.
Anyways, I was going to put a link to one, but now I can't find another one like it.
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A little bit of weatherstrip adhesive inside the socket will secure the nut to the socket, when removing the nuts. Tape or more adhesive works going back together. Also works on extensions if yours are old and worn like most of mine.
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wow I never thought about the tube idea. Will have to remimber that one. Glad all is good now.
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You could dedicate an extension and socket by welding 😱
JB weld if you don’t own an arn melter.
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Rudi wrote:
arn melter.
Outstanding! Ol Sal has some competition.
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RPM, aka Bearing Bob wrote:
Rudi wrote:
arn melter.
Outstanding! Ol Sal has some competition.
Ha, thanks Bob, even though I’m from Southern Ontario I’ve yet to master Sal’s southern drawl.
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