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2/17/2024 5:37 PM  #1


I almost forgot how bad things could be




On my 65 convertible, and this is the GOOD side.


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2/17/2024 5:50 PM  #2


Re: I almost forgot how bad things could be

That’s disgusting, I wonder what’s inside the pumpkin?


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2/17/2024 6:05 PM  #3


Re: I almost forgot how bad things could be

I am going to rebuild the drum brakes, put new seals in the axle and stick it back together. I just need brakes good enough to drive it up the driveway and on/off the lift. It will get a 66 8” housing (no fill plug in the housing) and a rebuilt 3.25:1 differential before I start driving it. 

So far, the 289 runs great and I put new K/H front discs on it. Will get the rear brakes on there so it can stop.  The C-4 is low on fluid and won’t pull the car, so hopefully filling it up with some $8.95/qt OReilly’s Type F will get it going again.

I just need it to be able to move and stop on its own power.


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2/18/2024 9:49 AM  #4


Re: I almost forgot how bad things could be

MS - is that the axle seal, dried out and falling apart?  Or, ...?


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

2/18/2024 9:52 AM  #5


Re: I almost forgot how bad things could be

The crud inside is mostly what scraped off the axle as it was removed. The axles have about 1/4” of black goo stuck to their entire length. As did the brake shoes and the entire backing plate. NASTY!


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2/18/2024 9:59 AM  #6


Re: I almost forgot how bad things could be

What do you believe the 'crud' is from? 

Last edited by BobE (2/18/2024 9:59 AM)


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

2/18/2024 2:32 PM  #7


Re: I almost forgot how bad things could be

The old adage about buying a good used car - somebody else got the good, and you got the used. I'm sure that you'll use that old MustangSteve magic to pull it all together. Something to look forward to after you get your back work done.


68 coupe - 351W, 4R70W, 9" 3.25 -- 65 convertible - 289 4v, C4, 8" 3.00
 

2/18/2024 3:03 PM  #8


Re: I almost forgot how bad things could be

BobE wrote:

What do you believe the 'crud' is from? 

 
Could be homogenized gear oil and water.


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2/18/2024 6:26 PM  #9


Re: I almost forgot how bad things could be

Wow!

 

2/19/2024 10:29 AM  #10


Re: I almost forgot how bad things could be

I pulled a spare rear axle assembly out of my boat shed and disassembled it.  It had a trashed pinion bearing but otherwIse in good shape, and alot cleaner inside and out. 
So, my crud problem went away.
It will get cleaned to bare metal and repainted and a 3.25 ratio pumpkin will go in it that I bought from Gaba. The gears are new, very low miles on the rebuild. I am not concerned that it is a single track rear end. This car is just a cruiser.
New Timken bearings and seals, 100% new brake components will be installed making it like brand new.

My plan to “just get the brakes juiced up so I can drive it onto the lift” have been gobbled up by the WYAIT Monster, but I won’t ever have to go into the rear end again.  My surgery got postponed to 3/13 so that gave me a little more time to get it moving under its own power.

The stuff I used to get done in a day now takes me a week!


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2/19/2024 11:06 AM  #11


Re: I almost forgot how bad things could be

MS wrote:

The stuff I used to get done in a day now takes me a week!

 
You ain't the only member of that club.


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

2/19/2024 2:23 PM  #12


Re: I almost forgot how bad things could be

RPM, aka Bearing Bob wrote:

MS wrote:

The stuff I used to get done in a day now takes me a week!

 
You ain't the only member of that club.

Ditto.
 


68 coupe - 351W, 4R70W, 9" 3.25 -- 65 convertible - 289 4v, C4, 8" 3.00
 

2/19/2024 9:15 PM  #13


Re: I almost forgot how bad things could be

I just can’t win.
The rebuilt 3.25 ratio 8” differential I was planning on using in the convertible has a crack in the housing. I hate to go to all this trouble to install something that I know will have to be replaced



Since I need this thing together sooner than the lead time to buy a new diff would allow, I guess I will stick this one in there and see how long it lasts.  Sure do hate doing something that I know has to get undone soon.


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2/20/2024 7:50 AM  #14


Re: I almost forgot how bad things could be

MS - why not swap the internals of this carrier with the one that's in the car now? 
Any idea what caused this crack?  
 


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

2/20/2024 8:52 AM  #15


Re: I almost forgot how bad things could be

BobE wrote:

MS - why not swap the internals of this carrier with the one that's in the car now? 
Any idea what caused this crack?  
 

 
Only thing I can figure is the bolt was overtorqued when installed.   I would prefer to have the later model ribbed case and a fill hole on the differential case if I am going to put any time/effort/$$ into the differential.


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2/20/2024 9:23 AM  #16


Re: I almost forgot how bad things could be

Oil or trash left in the hole would be my guess.  Its why I always clean all bolts and bolt holes and blow the holes out with compressed air.  Few realize the risk in not doing that. 

 

2/20/2024 5:00 PM  #17


Re: I almost forgot how bad things could be

Be sure and drill a hole at the upper end of the crack ! (Keep the crack from getting longer) Then squirt a dab of good old RTV in the tiny hole to keep stray moisture from getting inside.....
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2/20/2024 6:57 PM  #18


Re: I almost forgot how bad things could be

I bolted the cracked third member into the restored housing today. I cleaned the crack with brake cleaner, RTV’d it, then removed and put red loctite on the bolt and put it back in with 35 ft/lb on it.  We’ll see how long it goes before creating a problem.
My concern is it will disintegrate halfway between Texas and Bakersfield.


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2/20/2024 7:28 PM  #19


Re: I almost forgot how bad things could be

Geeess I just got a 3.00 8" and plan to rebuild myself because mine has some grrawly noise when I let off the gas. I tried driving without letting off but that just didnt work out. 


Slammed Big Blue, ran over the varmints that messed with the Stang. Now all is good in the NW
 

2/20/2024 10:27 PM  #20


Re: I almost forgot how bad things could be

Thought the convertible was a cruiser?

I ran the stock single rib case for 13 years with 3.25 and Currie traction lock.

If it wasn’t for the short ring gear bolts (1”) and absence of Lok Tite, I’d still be running it.

The only replacement I could find in my neck of the woods was a rusted out axle from a Granada.
The axle was the only surviving part of the car…no lie.
I now have the reinforced carrier and extra fill hole, just by chance.

Could you Heli-Coil repair?

 

2/21/2024 7:04 AM  #21


Re: I almost forgot how bad things could be

Cab4word67 wrote:

Geeess I just got a 3.00 8" and plan to rebuild myself because mine has some grrawly noise when I let off the gas. I tried driving without letting off but that just didnt work out. 

Good luck with that.  Unfortunately noise on coast is a very common problem with these rear ends.  I would suggest using Yukon or OEM gears.  Avoid Richmond at all costs, and definitely avoid anything cheap.  Check the carrier for runout while its in the bearings and in the case.  I've seen a lot of these rears that tweaked the housing out of true when they failed, and the carrier forever runs in an elliptical rotation instead of true.  You can live with a couple thousands of runout, but anything more and it will be noisy and basically impossible to set the gears up right. 
 

 

2/21/2024 7:12 AM  #22


Re: I almost forgot how bad things could be

Nos681 wrote:

Thought the convertible was a cruiser?

I ran the stock single rib case for 13 years with 3.25 and Currie traction lock.

If it wasn’t for the short ring gear bolts (1”) and absence of Lok Tite, I’d still be running it.

The only replacement I could find in my neck of the woods was a rusted out axle from a Granada.
The axle was the only surviving part of the car…no lie.
I now have the reinforced carrier and extra fill hole, just by chance.

Could you Heli-Coil repair?

No, because all a Helicoil does is in effect make the bolt larger.  The crack remains, and now you'd removed material from an area which was already weakened.  The only real fix would e to weld it up and remachine it.  Welding cast iron properly is extremely difficult.  It tends to have pockets of oxygen and other impurities that cause it to pop as you weld.  You also need to use a high nickle rod, which is hard to machine.  Ideally you want to bake it before and after welding to remove entrapped stress.  The welding may also distort the housing, and require more corrective action.  None of that is worth it IMO for an 8" case, as millions were made.  You'd be better off just to buy a replacement.  I also think there are now new cases available for a fairly reasonable cost. 

MS did the only sensible thing IMO.  In a low powered street car I highly doubt it will ever be an issue. 
 

 

2/21/2024 8:42 AM  #23


Re: I almost forgot how bad things could be

You shoulda stop-drilled it before putting the bolt back in.


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2/21/2024 11:56 AM  #24


Re: I almost forgot how bad things could be

MS wrote:

BobE wrote:

MS - why not swap the internals of this carrier with the one that's in the car now? 
Any idea what caused this crack?  
 

 
Only thing I can figure is the bolt was overtorqued when installed. I would prefer to have the later model ribbed case and a fill hole on the differential case if I am going to put any time/effort/$$ into the differential.

If it is a cruiser, I would think you'll get thousands of miles out of it. 
 


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

2/21/2024 4:33 PM  #25


Re: I almost forgot how bad things could be

It is mile 1,001 that has me worried.


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