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8/11/2025 8:21 AM  #1


radiator and electric fan setup

I have been having issues with my 65 289 running 230 degrees if i have to sit to long. What brand of aluminum radiators with electric fans have you all switched to and how has your experience been with your choice?

Thanks
Tom

 

8/11/2025 11:10 AM  #2


Re: radiator and electric fan setup

before getting a new radiator...Possible problems to check.  Thermostat can be stuck.  Radiator hose (lower) can be collapsed on the inside making it invisible to the eye.  Radiator clogged.  Look at these first.

When I still had a stock 289, I could sit in LA freeway traffic for an hour in 100* weather with no problems.  That was a long time ago.

Last edited by lowercasesteve (8/11/2025 11:13 AM)


Original owner - 351w,T-5, 4whl disks, power R&P
 

8/11/2025 11:22 AM  #3


Re: radiator and electric fan setup

Far more information is needed.  What radiator is in it now (how many rows of tubes, size, etc.)?  What kind of fan is on it now (clutch fan or not, how many blades, etc.)?  Does it have a shroud on it?  What thermostat is in it?  AC or not?  The question in my mind is why did it start to overheat if it didn't before?  

 

8/11/2025 11:57 AM  #4


Re: radiator and electric fan setup

I believe its a stock radiator with a 17 inch non clutch fan, 5 blade i think as im not near the car. no ac, has a half shroud, 180 degree thermostat. its always kinda ran hot if you got stuck at a light or low speed cruise. 

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8/12/2025 5:19 AM  #5


Re: radiator and electric fan setup

How did you determine it was 230 degrees?

 

8/12/2025 7:57 AM  #6


Re: radiator and electric fan setup

in car temp gauge and a laser thermometer
 

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8/12/2025 8:02 AM  #7


Re: radiator and electric fan setup

I'm assuming the in car temp gauge is aftermarket, because the factory gauge is really more of an idiot light.  Where are you taking the reading with the IR thermometer?  Is the upper radiator hose too hot to grab onto?  

 

8/12/2025 9:23 AM  #8


Re: radiator and electric fan setup

i actually have the "gauge" in the dash hooked up and an aftermarket gauge that has actual degreed readings on it. 
 

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8/12/2025 10:04 AM  #9


Re: radiator and electric fan setup

Where is the temperature sender for the gauge reading 230 located?  

 

8/13/2025 2:34 PM  #10


Re: radiator and electric fan setup

Stock Mustang front end or Shelby front apron. I switched to Shelby and heating problems went away.
1.Flush radiator and use DISTILLED WATER and antifreeze.
2.Use a FULL shroud.
3.Fan half sticking outta shroud?
4.Remove thermostat and see what happens
5.Turning on the heater make any difference?
6sally6


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8/14/2025 6:58 AM  #11


Re: radiator and electric fan setup

I agree with other posts to start with a flush of the cooling system with a chemical flush available at auto parts stores.  You may even want to do it twice. 
My system is as follows:


  • Aluminum Radiator: Summit SUM-380461 (Manufactured by “Northern”)
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  • Installs in the stock location.
  • Core dimensions: W15.625”x H 17.375”x D 2.25”
  • Inlet & outlet on Passenger Side

  • Flow Kool Water Pump (#1680)
  • Electric Fan: Spal 16” single-speed #30102120
  • No Fan shroud.
  • DCC Fan Controller #FK45
  • 180° Thermostat
  • Temp Reading Radiator Cap (Mr. Gasket #2471S, 16PSI)
  • Over Flow Container

  •  The radiator cap is just for a reference to get an idea of how hot the engine is immediately after shutdown, and how that compares to the gauge reading.


    65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
     

    8/14/2025 11:59 AM  #12


    Re: radiator and electric fan setup

    The first thing to do IMO is verify that its actually getting hot.  That's why I like knowing where the gauge sender is located.  The temperature in the cooling system is not homogeneous.  Ford likes to read the coolant temp in the intake manifold.  If you read the temperature in the cylinder head or various places on the block, etc. you will get different temperatures.  

    Assuming its really getting to 230 a flush is indeed a good first step.  If the bottom 1/4 or 1/3 of the radiator is packed full of junk your cooling capacity will be significantly reduced.  

     

    8/14/2025 9:29 PM  #13


    Re: radiator and electric fan setup

    TKOPerformance wrote:

    The first thing to do IMO is verify that its actually getting hot.  That's why I like knowing where the gauge sender is located.  The temperature in the cooling system is not homogeneous.  Ford likes to read the coolant temp in the intake manifold.  If you read the temperature in the cylinder head or various places on the block, etc. you will get different temperatures.  

    Assuming its really getting to 230 a flush is indeed a good first step.  If the bottom 1/4 or 1/3 of the radiator is packed full of junk your cooling capacity will be significantly reduced.  

    My ‘92 LX 5.0 has a dash gauge that reads high all the time these days. It also reacts to voltage. Lights on, goes up, fan goes on, goes up, A/C or heater goes up. Even the turn signals will slightly move the needle sometimes. So I installed an Autometer temp gauge. It reads more correctly. The sender for the stock dash gauge is in the intake manifold and the sender for the Autometer is at the top of the thermostat housing. Just today I used some test leads to “switch” sending units to the gauges to see what would happen.  The dash gauge needle went dead to the bottom and the Autometer needle maxxed out to the top. WTHeck? Auto electronics are a big mystery to me. Anyone help me out here?  I’ll start another thread if need be. Thanks.


    '66 Fastback since July 27, 1981. Springtime Yellow, originally a 200 cu in, 4 speed. Also a '92 LX Coupe, 5.0, 5 speed.
     

    8/15/2025 5:37 AM  #14


    Re: radiator and electric fan setup

    Muzz 66 wrote:

    TKOPerformance wrote:

    The first thing to do IMO is verify that its actually getting hot.  That's why I like knowing where the gauge sender is located.  The temperature in the cooling system is not homogeneous.  Ford likes to read the coolant temp in the intake manifold.  If you read the temperature in the cylinder head or various places on the block, etc. you will get different temperatures.  

    Assuming its really getting to 230 a flush is indeed a good first step.  If the bottom 1/4 or 1/3 of the radiator is packed full of junk your cooling capacity will be significantly reduced.  

    My ‘92 LX 5.0 has a dash gauge that reads high all the time these days. It also reacts to voltage. Lights on, goes up, fan goes on, goes up, A/C or heater goes up. Even the turn signals will slightly move the needle sometimes. So I installed an Autometer temp gauge. It reads more correctly. The sender for the stock dash gauge is in the intake manifold and the sender for the Autometer is at the top of the thermostat housing. Just today I used some test leads to “switch” sending units to the gauges to see what would happen. The dash gauge needle went dead to the bottom and the Autometer needle maxxed out to the top. WTHeck? Auto electronics are a big mystery to me. Anyone help me out here? I’ll start another thread if need be. Thanks.

    Probably better to start a dedicated thread, but I don't know that you can do what you did.  In other words, the Autometer gauge is designed to read off the Autometer sender.  The sender for the stock gauge may simply not be compatible with the Autometer gauge.  Temperature senders work by varying resistance based on temperature.  The scale of the resistance values the sender creates must be matched to the way the gauge is calibrated.  

    You can test the stock gauge and sender.  First test the gauge, because I think that's where your problem is, based on your description of the gauge reading.  Turn the key on, but do not start the engine, disconnect the wire from the gauge sender and ground the wire to the negative battery terminal.  If the gauge reads hot the gauge is probably fine, and the sender is probably bad.  If the gauge reads cold or doesn't move, there's something wrong with the gauge.  

    You should be able to test the sender with a multimeter by reading resistance (Ohms) through the sender (terminal post to the sender body.  Put the sender in freezing cold water and read the resistance.  Then put the sender in hot water and read it again.  The resistance values should be different (higher cold than hot).  The sender is just a path to ground.  The gauge functions off the ease of that path.  The easier the path (lower resistance) the higher the gauge reads and vice versa.  If the sender reads infinite resistance its broken internally.  

    Anyway, start there, but my bet is there's something wonky with the gauge.  
     

     

    8/15/2025 7:52 AM  #15


    Re: radiator and electric fan setup

    If the 92 OEM gauges still use a Constant Voltage Unit (CVU) that drops the voltage from 12v to about 5v (as done for many prior years), and the Autometer likely uses 12v power, one cannot ‘cross’ the two.
     
    The problem you describe (lights on, fan speeds up, etc.) is weird and may be difficult to resolve.  I would start with checking the various ground connections starting under the hood where they are less ‘protected’ then in the interior (and easier to locate).  A wiring diagram would be helpful, but you can search for any connection bolted to the body, remove it, clean it up and re-install. 
    This is a hit and miss time consuming method, good luck.


    65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
     

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