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I have a 68 302 with a 2 barrel and C4 auto transmission.
It has a new distributor in it and I thought I would double check the points gap.
It is sitting right on .021.
Some books say .021 is perfect, others suggest .017 is the correct setting. How do you determine what is correct? I have seen varibles between these two spec settings based on model year, and 289 vs 302 as well, plus thermactor or not.
Does a variable between .017 and .021 matter all that much?
Should I take a happy medium and go with .019???
What if any benefit is derived with a tighter gap like .017?
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steve, either setting will work OK. The gap changes your dwell setting. IIRC, the dwell is when the points close and then open as the dist. lobe opens and closes the points. IMHO, replacing the points and condenser with a "Perlux Igniter" unit is the best money you can spend on early Mustang. $70 bucks or so.
Howard
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From what I remenber from the good ol days, the point gap was just to get you in the ballpark. The dwell angle was the important setting. My old tune up sheets call for 26 degrees dwell at 1,000rpm. I would highly recommend upgrading to electronic though
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Ditto on the electronic ignition module. However it is Pertronix not Perlux. Also you want to get the Pertronix II, They cost more than the standard Pertronix but I believe they have a better Adaptive Dwell and they will not burn out if you accidently leave the key on.
There is no dwell or point setting to mess with and your car will start so much easier and run smoother out of the gate. You also do not get the deterioration over time that you get with point wear. You install it per instructions, fire it up and never look back.
Last edited by boomyal (4/17/2013 3:08 PM)
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I actually have a dwell tachometer in my tool collection. It has not been used since 1977 or so. I would be willing to let it go for a garage point and shipping. But, I agree with the unanimous decision that you should at least get a PertronixII in there, or a Duraspark II would be even better.
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Thank you for the offer MS, but as I live in Canada I hardly think it would be worth it.
I like the Duraspark II. I put it in my other Mustang but it was a roller 5.0 liter so it made sense with that distributor.
Since I already have a brand new points style dizzy in this one, I can't do it as Duraspark without replacing the distributor, can I?
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LondonSteve,
I have had a Pertronix II in my '67 for about 9 years now... It's been great, and it's super easy to install in a points distributor.
Last edited by Michael H. (4/19/2013 9:43 AM)
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Boom, showing my age I guess. MANY years ago it was called "Perlux Igniter" IIRC?
Howard
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hmartin025 wrote:
Boom, showing my age I guess. MANY years ago it was called "Perlux Igniter" IIRC?
Howard
Yer forgiven!
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Always was easier to get forgiveness than permission!!!!!
LOL
Howard
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I agree that the gap is not super critical. I remember my dad helping me set the gap to .017 for a 302 with a feeler gauge. I even recall hearing that you could set the points using a matchbook cover. Might be hard to find one now though. I also agree setting with a dwell gauge is better, electronic ignition is even better.
I put a Pertronix I in my Mustang and it ran so much smoother. I'm curious why MS said a Duraspark II is better than a Pertronix II.
Last edited by mavken (4/19/2013 9:23 AM)
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hey LondonSteve, you don't happen to have an MSD box in all of this. If you don't than all the info above is perfect, if you do, it changes everything. With an MSD box the point gap becomes irrelevant as long as the contacts are opening and closing it will not matter.
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I had a "Compufire" ignition system on my 289 , they have been around a lot longer than Pertronics.
They used to be popular in the Harley crowd years ago to eliminate points.
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mavken wrote:
I agree that the gap is not super critical. I remember my dad helping me set the gap to .017 for a 302 with a feeler gauge. I even recall hearing that you could set the points using a matchbook cover. Might be hard to find one now though. I also agree setting with a dwell gauge is better, electronic ignition is even better.
The gap IS important, initial setting with a feeler gauge gets you running after which the gap really should be fine tuned with a dwell meter for best performance. I haven't done this in a long time since I haven't had anything with points in it for a long time, but I still have the trusty old Hawk tune-up analyzer that is useful for other things, even with electronic ignition, stashed in the toolbox.
Another plus for the recommendation to update to Pertronix or Duraspark.
Last edited by McStang (4/19/2013 12:42 PM)
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Points gap is important, as I recall it is dependent on distributor cam profile. It is intended to give the correct timing of the power pulse to the coil in terms of degrees of crankshaft rotation. So different cam profiles give different results. Dwell angle is the best way to set, I never touch a new set of points with a feeler gage. It scratches the nice surfaces and shortens life. I eyeball to start and fine tune with a meter measuring dwell. I still have an MG and a Fiat that have points.
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If you are going to use points, and if you are not going to be revving to extremes, the feeler gage will work fine. Once adjusted with the feeler gage, turn engine over until the points are closed, then run a peice of (we used to use "card stock" which is what business cards used to be printed on.) maybe blotter paper, or some other kind of lint free paper between the points to clean off impurities. You'll be surprised to see dark skid marks on the paper after you have cleaned "new" points.
Good Luck
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Brings back old memories of when the DUAL POINT DISTRIBUTOR was the next great thing. I had an ACCEL dual point (NO YELLOW WIRES THOUGH) on my first Mustang. The BOSS 302 had a dual point from the factory, and used stock 6 cylinder points, just twice as many. Those were a pain to adjust and like Pablo said, I think we all learned the lesson about removing the oil residue that was on the feeler gauges the hard way. Of course, the points go hand-in-hand with that little condenser that would cause intemittent problems and try to drive you crazy until you finally replaced that $2 part.
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Can't believe you guys installed points without cleaning them first with some Carbontet! But I'm sure you always used the grease on the cam. I just looked in the glove box of the MG and guess what , 2 extra sets of Lucas points! There is also a Pertronix module just waiting to be installed.
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