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5/21/2014 7:58 PM  #1


timing issue help needed

I have a friend who has a cobra kit car. Just recently, he had an issue where the car wont run without 22° initial timing and 42-44 total. Forever it has ran at 16 initial.  Now with 22, it starts up normally, but hard starting when hot,etc. He has used a timing stop in plug hole, checked balancer and pointer for tdc, changed and rechecked distributor advance springs,etc. This is a dual Carb, dual Paxton 427. I was thinking maybe pin sheared on Dist.gear, or balancer
etcring slipped. 427 likes the extra timing but

 

5/21/2014 7:59 PM  #2


Re: timing issue help needed

But, hot and hard start issue is a big problem. Anyone have any ideas what could of broke or changed?

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5/21/2014 8:14 PM  #3


Re: timing issue help needed

What is he running for ignition?  MSD?  What coil?  Trying to think of things that can change suddenly.  Did he do any other work right around when the timing issue started?  If the TDC check confirmed the damper timing marks and the distributor rotor, then it doesn't sound like a distributor gear.

Does he have a boost retard system as part of the ignition?  I don't think I would drive it hard or possibly at all until it is sorted out to avoid melting something.

 

5/21/2014 8:38 PM  #4


Re: timing issue help needed

I think it is an original style dual point. He said it runs fine and revs up fine/higher Tom's and advance,etc.. Could it be a stretched timing chain? Just racking my brains. Had a roll pin shear on a Cleveland where it ran fine until you revved it and it would make this loud pin noise and cut out or idle would fall apart. But on this, everything works fine except for the hard start. If you bump the key to move the engine over instead of hand turning it, the Paxton pulleys will kick back some. Weird.

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5/21/2014 9:52 PM  #5


Re: timing issue help needed

What is wrong with running it at 16 like he did before?  Maybe he blew a power valve and is trying to overcome the rich mixture with timing.  I don't know how a Paxton type system needs to be set up.  What compression is he running?  I would be afraid of melting some pistons with that much advance.  What fuel does he run?  When the timing is checked you are comparing number 1 firing with respect to the crank.  Any problems with the timing chain, etc., would show up when looking at TDC, I think.

I assume if it is a points ignition without Pertronix that he has checked point gaps to ensure that dwell is correct?  One of the reasons I asked about MSD is that some timing lights that allow you to dial back the advance don't handle multiple sparks - they will work OK at zero degrees but will give false timing when dialing back the advance to TDC.

I find that a sudden change in a machine's behavior often follows and event or some work that was done that was seemingly unrelated at the time.  When you hear yourself saying "it can't be that" move it up higher on the troubleshooting list and prove that it can't be that.

 

5/22/2014 1:50 PM  #6


Re: timing issue help needed

I've heard of some problems with guys that change their points distributors to pertronix. They don't realise that the car had a resistor wire off the ignition switch and not a ballast resistor. Which results in the pertronix getting about half the volts it requires, resulting in not running the way it should. Happened to my boss with his 65 T-bird, turns out he can't read directions.

 

5/22/2014 2:46 PM  #7


Re: timing issue help needed

I vote for a large vacuum leak somewhere.


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