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5/04/2013 11:28 PM  #1


Project Update for 65 Fastback

My baby went back to the Paint Body shop to have some minor work redone. Small blemishes in paint. A couple small panels repainted, then a final polishing.
While the car was out of the garage I decided I needed to get the engine rebuild finished. 302 taken to a 347 Stroker.

 

5/05/2013 7:54 AM  #2


Re: Project Update for 65 Fastback

Love that color!   

Now, I have a question about your engine.   I cannot see any guide plates on those heads.  What is going to hold the roller rockers in place?    Those seem to be rail style rocker heads, and still have the stock pressed in studs.  

Not trying to critisize, I just dont want you to frag your engine right after it goes in such a pretty car.  

Last edited by Greg B (5/05/2013 7:57 AM)


If multiple things can go wrong, the one that will go wrong will be the one that causes the most damage.
 

5/05/2013 8:06 AM  #3


Re: Project Update for 65 Fastback

I love that color what is it? Looks like that emeraled blue they use to do in the 90's on ranger pickups. Always wanted to paint ah car that color. Also what suspension are you running?? P.S. I think you should change your wheel center caps to blue as well..

Last edited by Derek (5/05/2013 8:08 AM)


It's hard to type "funny"
 

5/05/2013 8:07 AM  #4


Re: Project Update for 65 Fastback



The top photo shows stock 289 heads.  note the notches in the stock rocker arms.  Those ride on the valve and keep it from coming off the valve while the engine is running.    The second photo is a set of aftermarket heads, but we are noting the screw in rocker studs and guide plates.   

To fix your engine, you are either going to have to put the stock rocker studs back on, or have the heads machined to put on screw in studs and guide plates, as this those plates are what hold roller rockers centered on the valve.  


If multiple things can go wrong, the one that will go wrong will be the one that causes the most damage.
 

5/05/2013 10:29 AM  #5


Re: Project Update for 65 Fastback

Mochaman,  it does not appear from the pictures that you have had the tops of the rocker arm stud mounts milled off to accommodate the screw in studs.  If not, and if the rocker arms you have on the heads need to have that done, it might be cheaper to just get pedestal mount roller rockers, and sell the ones you have.  The pedestal mount roller rockers will not need any machining to your head, no buying screw in studs, and no need to buy/use guide plates - which will also require you to buy/use hardened push rods.  I paid $289.00 for the FRPP pedestal mount roller rockers for an engine I am building.
Good Luck

 

5/05/2013 1:15 PM  #6


Re: Project Update for 65 Fastback

These are Comp Cam 1052-16 Pedestal Mount Rockers.
http://www.compperformancegroupstores.com/store/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CC&Product_Code=1052-16&Category_Code=

Website I used to buy these on mentioned nothing of guide plates. This is my first engine build and I have asked some very specific questions to get it where it is. Comp Cam's website doesn't mention anything about other parts needed. But I will ask their tech department. I had to buy some new rocker arms because somewhere in the past 5 years the box that had everything for the heads disappeared.

Engine and heads are a 302, code on the block appeared to be a Ford Torino. I should have bought aftermarket heads, but was already too far down the rabbit hole to restart.

Front suspension is a Fatman Fabrications bolt in kit.
Wheels on the car won't work with front calipers, so I only put them on so we could roll it on/off the trailer. This is the first time the car has been on wheels in over a years.  So the center caps and everything else has to change.

TO be sure, nothing anyone is telling me, do I consider criticizing me or my work. I absolutley love the fact that I can rub shoulders with experts in this craft and get some of the best advice around. I should be the one apologizing for coming into the group with a bunch of rookie questions.

Ed

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5/05/2013 1:30 PM  #7


Re: Project Update for 65 Fastback

I have stock pedestal mount rockers on my engine and there are channels that go under each pair of rockers that keep them squared up. I don't see these channels on your engine. 

Search google for "pedestal mount rocker channel" and you will see what I mean. The square base of the rocker arm fits in the channel to keep the rockers square. You need them with pedestal mount rockers, stock or roller tipped.

Last edited by zakdaddy99 (5/05/2013 1:46 PM)


Good, fast or cheap. Pick any two...
 

5/05/2013 1:35 PM  #8


Re: Project Update for 65 Fastback

Is it possible to add some guid plates that CJ Pony sells for 302 heads?

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5/05/2013 1:48 PM  #9


Re: Project Update for 65 Fastback

This is what you need:http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/item/M6588A50/Ford-Racing-Pedestal-Rocker-Channel-Kit?utm_source=google-shopping&utm_medium=comparison-shopping&utm_campaign=google-shopping

If you go to this link, check out the roller rockers down the page a bit. It says you need to reuse your factory rocker channels. Get a set, adjust your preload and you will be good to go.

BTW, beautiful car!!

Last edited by zakdaddy99 (5/05/2013 1:54 PM)


Good, fast or cheap. Pick any two...
 

5/05/2013 2:36 PM  #10


Re: Project Update for 65 Fastback

I would like to see some better pictures of the condition where the rocker arm mounts to the head before we decide what is best to fix this situation.  One thing is for sure, though.  The engine would drop several valves pretty quick if fired up without SOMETHING to keep the rockers aligned with the valves.  The rockers would walk off the stems and then work on the retainers until they released them.

Could you unbolt one and post a picture of the theraded hole in the head as well as the underside of the rocker arm mounting ?


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

5/05/2013 7:57 PM  #11


Re: Project Update for 65 Fastback

I already took the Rockers off untila decision to where I can go is made. I really appreciate the help on this. A buddy of mine who is a Camero gear head was hammering me on this very same thing. I really hope what zakdaddy99 found is the solution. Simple and inexpensive.

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5/05/2013 9:30 PM  #12


Re: Project Update for 65 Fastback

OK:   Now that I can see we are dealing with 1978 heads, and not 1968 heads,  zackdaddies post is just what you need.  

1978 heads came from the factory with rail mount rockers.  NO PROBLEMS with the mount height.  


If multiple things can go wrong, the one that will go wrong will be the one that causes the most damage.
 

5/06/2013 6:25 AM  #13


Re: Project Update for 65 Fastback

Thanks people for the feedback and advise. This car may actually make it onto the road despite my fumbling.

It does appear that my original valve covers will not work with these, because of the baffle over the vent hole.

Looks like CJPony gets more of my money.

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5/06/2013 9:10 AM  #14


Re: Project Update for 65 Fastback

I forgot to mention.  The channel kit you need to get, needs to FIT the COMP rocker arms. 

The ones zackdaddy posted are for stock pedestools.   I do not know if those will work or not.  You need to call Comp and find out what channels their arms are supposed to use.    Then you should be good to go.  


If multiple things can go wrong, the one that will go wrong will be the one that causes the most damage.
 

5/06/2013 10:16 AM  #15


Re: Project Update for 65 Fastback

Mochaman, "Rookie Questions" - NOT!  We all ask questions from time to time.  Today I learned something new from you - I have never seen pedestal mount rocker arms with adjusters.  Thanks.
If you were to use the guide plates, you'd have to get hardened pushrods to go with them, unless your pushrods are the hardened ones. 
The channels that go under the rocker arms may be addressed in the instalation instructions from Comp.  If they use the standard Ford pieces, I bet someone has them laying around and will share with you. 
 
The blue color on the car looks GREAT!
 

 

5/06/2013 1:41 PM  #16


Re: Project Update for 65 Fastback

Mochaman in the first picture of the engine, the round hole in the middle of the head over the exhaust crossover port. Does it have a core plug in it? I put some in mine when i rebuilt it but it still leaks exhaust.I have only seen these round holes on late model GT-40 style haeds.I had posted here before but no one seemed to understand which hole thatT I was refering to.

 

5/06/2013 7:10 PM  #17


Re: Project Update for 65 Fastback

Now how about a picture of the bottom of the rockers where the bolt goes through.


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

5/06/2013 8:59 PM  #18


Re: Project Update for 65 Fastback

@xrracer, the holes don't go anywhere, they just inset into the metal and stop. ??? No idea. I can take some closeups of them if you want.

@MustangSteve Here is two different angles of the bottome of Rockers.

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5/06/2013 9:17 PM  #19


Re: Project Update for 65 Fastback

Good pictures.  The Ford Racing M-6588-A50 trough setup will do the job, just like zakdaddy suggested.


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

5/06/2013 9:35 PM  #20


Re: Project Update for 65 Fastback

Yes please, if not too much trouble. Mine are open into the exhaust passages.

 

5/07/2013 11:23 PM  #21


Re: Project Update for 65 Fastback

xrracer here are two pictures, one with the gasket and one without. I can fit my pinky up to first kuckle. Hope this helps. I passed the picture to my Brother-In-Law who works in a garage to see if anyone knows.

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