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8/13/2014 11:22 AM  #1


ammeter juice, cigar ligjter

When you push in the cigar lighter, should the ammeter gague go all the way to the "D" side? 68, 289 coupe, c-4. Still chasin that gremlin!

 

8/13/2014 2:01 PM  #2


Re: ammeter juice, cigar ligjter

Considering that I understand that factory ammeters barely deflected in normal use, I would say it is not normal.  Ford had some goofy shortcut method to wire those that probably saved them the cost of 4 feet of wire and as a result kinda made them worthless.

 

8/13/2014 3:54 PM  #3


Re: ammeter juice, cigar ligjter

rtmjr13@optonline.net wrote:

When you push in the cigar lighter, should the ammeter gague go all the way to the "D" side? 68, 289 coupe, c-4. Still chasin that gremlin!

Not being rude but a lot of people have offered suggestions in your other posts.  It would help a LOT to know what you have done so far to troubleshoot
 


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8/13/2014 4:08 PM  #4


Re: ammeter juice, cigar ligjter

Thanks John for saying it because I was thinking the same thing.

One other thought I had was to disconnect the Amp meter all together. At least one side or the other. This may help find a bad connection some where. If current flow can't go through the amp meter it will need to find another path. Things may quit working but the you could start looking for a bad connection. The small red wire on the solenoid should go to the amp meter. Lift it, tape it up and see what happens.

One other thing, is the car running when this happens.

Last edited by wsinsle (8/13/2014 5:19 PM)


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8/14/2014 5:34 AM  #5


Re: ammeter juice, cigar ligjter

Didn't know I was ruffling feathers by asking, and no rudeness taken. I would rather ask a bunch of questions than burn up on the side of the road. Everything I've tried leads to something else. The cigarette lighter thing i just found out about. I'll find it. Thanx for the inputs.

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8/14/2014 6:54 AM  #6


Re: ammeter juice, cigar ligjter

rtmjr:

Sorry, Not trying to be rude. trying to trouble shoot a intermittent problem sitting in the drive way is tough. Over the internet makes it much harder. Anyone trying to make a suggestion needs all the info they can get. One other thing that would help would be to keep this in one post. Each time you get more info, add it to the same post. Don't start a new one. That way everyone trying to help can look back through one post to see what you have done.


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8/15/2014 6:51 AM  #7


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rtmjr13@optonline.net wrote:

Didn't know I was ruffling feathers by asking, and no rudeness taken. I would rather ask a bunch of questions than burn up on the side of the road. Everything I've tried leads to something else. The cigarette lighter thing i just found out about. I'll find it. Thanx for the inputs.

No feathers ruffled and I did not intend to be a jerk or to put you off.  But as wsinsle said, it's tough for us to keep track of what's been done and it's much easier if it's all together.  Even more importantly, we need to know as much information as possible.  Without the background, troubleshooting a problem is like trying to do your monthly grocery shopping while wearing a blindfold.

For example, in this case we did not know from your initial post that this is a new problem - I'd seen your ammeter issue before and I thought this was a continuation.  Your post also suggests you've found and fixed several issues but there's nothing I've found that tells us what you've done.  We need to know things like that to give you the best help we can.


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8/16/2014 4:21 AM  #8


Re: ammeter juice, cigar ligjter

Believe me, all of your help is much appreciated, and I do try EVERYTHING that I can handle. Just as a quick refresher, 68 289, c-4, pertronix one. Ammeter gauge starts acting up, open the door, courtesy lights go on, gauge swings all the way left, towards D side, but only sometimes. Then a no start issue, have to jump solenoid to start - again only sometimes. Also have a old school Chapman, ignition interrupt lock, disconnected that also Changed starter switch, solenoid, light switch, new harness on driver side going to trunk, new harness on passenger side going to trunk, ( was going to change them any way. Then rhe cigarette lighter issue , push it in, ammeter needle swings hard left. I know the whole thing sounds like a ground issue, but man! Checked all of the grounds I could find. If it would stay broke, I could find it, but it goes back n forth. Not putting anything new in until I find this. Again, wiring is not ny strong suite, so forgive me if I sound  erratic at times. It scares me, almost fried my 67 years ago. Going to a specialist this morning ($ ca- ching$) , will keep you informed. Again, thanx for all the input and support!

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8/20/2014 5:08 AM  #9


Re: ammeter juice, cigar ligjter

Finally found the problems! One broken wire, and two bad connections. Behind the dash, the green wire with orange tracer was just barely making contact inside a crimp connector. The other problem was at the solenoid. The wire going to the small front push on stud had to be replaced. And lastly the front driver side parking light, the wires inside the sleeve were all messed up because the shrink tube around them had split and all kinds of muck got in there. Thanx again for everyone's input.

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8/20/2014 6:09 AM  #10


Re: ammeter juice, cigar ligjter

rtmjr13@optonline.net wrote:

Finally found the problems! One broken wire, and two bad connections. Behind the dash, the green wire with orange tracer was just barely making contact inside a crimp connector. The other problem was at the solenoid. The wire going to the small front push on stud had to be replaced. And lastly the front driver side parking light, the wires inside the sleeve were all messed up because the shrink tube around them had split and all kinds of muck got in there. Thanx again for everyone's input.

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8/20/2014 6:36 AM  #11


Re: ammeter juice, cigar ligjter

Glad to see you got it all figured out. hope your specialist didn't beat you up to bad.


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8/20/2014 4:08 PM  #12


Re: ammeter juice, cigar ligjter

Didn't have to use the specialist! I just started digging around, pulling this tugging that etc. Then went to my regular mechanic-all I had to do was feed him. He went crazy with the test light, and meter. Glad it's over though. Here is a question though. In your opinion, what is the best way to connect two wires? My mechanic and his partner were arguing over it. There is the solder, the barrel tube crimp, and those little blue snap things you lay the wire in. And of course the ole twist n tape. Which one is preferred?

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8/21/2014 9:35 AM  #13


Re: ammeter juice, cigar ligjter

Solder and heat shink, for splices, if exposed to elements squirt rtv in the shrink tube before you shrink it, I even solder on terminals and heat shrink, after years of riding harleys these things you learn.


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8/21/2014 6:32 PM  #14


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I solder and heat shrink everything that goes on my car. I don't use RTV for weatherproofing. Type 2 or 3 heat shrink has an adhesive layer on the inside that seals the heatshrink. There is a very vocal group that believes that all automotive connections should always be crimped and never soldered. Their arguement is that a proper crimp will fuse the strands of wire and the connector into one piece which is easier to create than a good solder joint. They neglect to say that a crimper capable of such fusion crimping costs hundreds, if not thousands of dollars. Makes me wonder if they make up all their wiring for their hot rods at work, using the military grade crimpers their defence contractor employers have bought. As Bullerbirdman states you can learn to solder adequately well with practice. The soldering equipment costs a fraction of what a fusion crimper costs.

 

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