FYI FORD - MustangSteve's Ford Mustang Forum
The Internet's Most Knowledgeable Classic Mustang Information
IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT CLASSIC FORD MUSTANGS, YOU HAVE COME TO THE RIGHT PLACE!
MustangSteve has over 30 years of Mustang experience, having owned 30 of them and restored several others. With the help of other Mustangers, this site is dedicated to helping anyone wanting to restore or modify their Mustang.... THERE ARE NO DUMB QUESTIONS!!!!!
Visit MustangSteve's web site to view some of my work and find details for:
FYIFORD Contributors' PICTURES - Power Brake Retrofit Kits for 65-66 Stangs - Classic Mustang FAQ's by MustangSteve - How to wire in a Duraspark Ignition - Mustang Ride Height Pictures and Descriptions - Steel Bushings to fit Granada Spindles to Mustang Tie Rods - Visit my EBAY store MustangSteve Performance - How to Install Granada Disc Brakes MustangSteve's Disc Brake Swap Page - FYIFORD Acronyms for guide to all the acronyms used on this page - FYIFORD Important information and upcoming events

You are not logged in. Would you like to login or register?

5/10/2013 8:34 PM  #1


is it necessary to take it all to metal/prep tips needed

Hi all, it's been a long build since two years ago when I got this car barely a shell...sitting for 30 years in a field...

Anyhow, it's had the mustang steve catalog thrown at it, it's running, registered, and unbelievably fast (and stops too)

Problem is, it looks like absolutely garbage...the body is rust free (california car)...it was original candyapple red car...and was primered what looks like 20+ years ago....that primer is extremely thin now from sitting out...so basically it's the original paint with thin primer.

THere are no chips anywhere along the side of the car, however the tops of the fender and cowl have some paint chips....some are from me working on the car, and others I'm guessing from stuff that was put on the car. 

Being on the low budget DYI deal, I want to now teach myself how to prep a car for paint, and even block/sand it then take it in for paint.

I'd like to avoid the hassle of taking the entire thing to metal if I can avoid it.  If possible I'd like to just take the bad spots...the tops of the fenders and cowl to metal, and just primer everything, fill in the little dings and begin to block and sand.

Anyhow, I'm a complete newbie to body work, but I've built my entire car myself from the ground up mechanically, so it's nothing I can't learn.

Any and all suggestions welcome here so that I can begin to de-ugly this thing.

these are the OLD pics of when I first picked it up...body still looks the same







 

Last edited by jeremy (5/10/2013 8:41 PM)

 

5/10/2013 8:42 PM  #2


Re: is it necessary to take it all to metal/prep tips needed

here it is how it sits now...the black is just plasti dip,...it will peel right off

     Thread Starter
 

5/10/2013 9:08 PM  #3


Re: is it necessary to take it all to metal/prep tips needed

You seems to have alot of energy, how about this...?  Shoot the entire car satin black over whatever is on it now.  Scrub it with some COMET first.  Then, as time and money allows, take one panel at a time to metal and fix it right, shooting it with satin black until you get the whole car done, one panel at a time.  You will learn as you go and might want to redo the first one you did by the time you get to the last one.  Once the primer is good all over, then shoot paint on it.

You need to swap notes with Ramses.  He did almost the same thing you did.  Now he is putting the basecoat/clearcoat paint on his coupe and it looks great.

Another way to go about it...  If you are not going totake it all to metal, take it to MAACO when they have their $300 sale paint jobs and let them get after it.

Why do you need to take it to metal?  Mainly because you have no idea what is under there.  Secondly, because primer holds moisture and it is probably all surface rusted below the primer.

You will never get any better satisfaction than having "done it all yourself".  Take your time and get it laser straight.  I would much rather see cheap paint on top of laser straight body work than $9,000 worth of paint over crappy body work, like they did to my car.  And that satin black thing is pretty cool looking...even if you just left it like that.

Check out the picture.  Of course, your car has better looking wheels and much better stance, so you could pull this off really well.


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

5/10/2013 9:11 PM  #4


Re: is it necessary to take it all to metal/prep tips needed

So here's what I think for what it's worth. Your paint job will only be as good as the foundation under it. Taking it down to metal is only really labor (done it twice), but putting a bunch of time in to priming, sanding, blocking, prep, final paint only to have it fail because of something underneath is much, much more work and money.

I should just learn to say;

What Steve said (WSS™)

Last edited by Raymond_B (5/10/2013 9:13 PM)

 

5/11/2013 6:08 AM  #5


Re: is it necessary to take it all to metal/prep tips needed

An addition to MS's MAACO suggestion ... take all the trim, bumpers, mirrors, etc off and even tape up the car yourself before bringing for painting.  Put it all back together yourself and I think you'll be satisfied.  I had several friends do this years ago and they were pleased with the results.


65 Fastback, 351W, 5-speed, 4 wheel discs, 9" rear,  R&C Front End.
 

5/11/2013 9:22 AM  #6


Re: is it necessary to take it all to metal/prep tips needed

I went the Macco route and...for the $$ got a good job. Beware....all Maccos don't do the same quality of work!
I made a sad butt.."best-I-could-do" atempt at doing the body work on my 66. The Macco dude suggested I get the "cheap paint job FIRST. Wait for the paint to cure....repair any flaws that painting  reveals....then have the better paint job sprayed.
Was it a perfect job...nope.   Did it have a couple of runs...yep.  Most anybody but me know where they are...nope. Am I afraid to drive my 66 to Walmart or someplace and park it...nope.  Is it a 10 footer...probably.  Anybody EVER ask, "who did your crappy paint job"..nope.
Macco's OK in my book.
6sally6


Get busy Liv'in or get busy Die'n....Host of the 2020 Bash at the Beach/The only Bash that got cancelled  )8
 

5/11/2013 9:38 AM  #7


Re: is it necessary to take it all to metal/prep tips needed

Thank you all so much for the advice.

Steve, that is EXACTLY the look minus the 4x4 stance that I wanted for my 66.

I'm confident enough on the sides of the car that as is,...with a little additional primer and ding repair that it can be painted as is...

I'll have to put some work into the tops of the fenders and the cowl then send it off to paint.

I may just skip the satin black altogether and have maaco spray the entire car whatever color I decide to go with...I'll just drive it in with no bumpers and no trim pieces, and make sure the body is ready to spray when I take it to them.  I don't think I have too much work ahead of me.

My last buildup I receieved a 66 coupe on a labor trade then built it all up mechanically (not as built as this one)....it was blue with a vinyl top.  LOL, I'll never ever buy a vinyl top car again in my life.  Under that top,and under the paint was endless amounts of hidden rust, and bondo with rust under it and so on...man I had to take that car apart, ditch it, then search for months for this car.

THe result was $1800 for this car as a roller, but it's 90% rust free..a small hole in the pan, and a little under a windshield lip...then it took me two years to get this built back up...

start with the right car, thats what I learned.

     Thread Starter
 

5/11/2013 1:00 PM  #8


Re: is it necessary to take it all to metal/prep tips needed

jeremy wrote:

I don't think I have too much work ahead of me.

LOLOLOLOL

The last time I heard that was when Ramses was starting the restoration of his 66 coupe.  What was that?  about three years ago!

Just make your plan and stick with it as long as it takes.  When you do get done, you will have exactly what you planned on having.
 


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

5/11/2013 5:57 PM  #9


Re: is it necessary to take it all to metal/prep tips needed

Whichever route you take paint it red. Just sayin


"anyone that stops learning is old, whether at twenty or eighty"Henry Ford
 

5/11/2013 7:28 PM  #10


Re: is it necessary to take it all to metal/prep tips needed

BillyC wrote:

Whichever route you take paint it red. Just sayin

Hey BillyC,

youll appreciate my coupe then!! Lol


From what I've learned and gone through with my coupe,if you just take your time with it, and do it yourself,The satisfaction in the end is like no other.Unless you are in a hurry  to get it done and are willing to pay someone,then do what you want to do. If you have a daily driver right now that you can use to drive around, why not just take the time on the coupe?


 

5/11/2013 10:32 PM  #11


Re: is it necessary to take it all to metal/prep tips needed

yea my 66 is several times removed from ever having to be a DD...I have all the time in the world, and on a I have 4 kids budget, it's DYI time.   Fortunately for me, I've never found anything car wise I haven't been able to do.  Unfortunately for me that means I'm the neighborhood freebee mechanic too.

Your car is absolutely stunning man, that's some great work.   I finally have my dream of the past 25 years of having an amazing classic mustang that is fast and can handle too, but have all but given up on it looking good..

I'll do it, and not just for satin black,...I'm going to take this as far as I can.  My car was originally candyapple red...I'm not opposed to that color, just never pictured it in my head...guess I have some time to decide

     Thread Starter
 

5/11/2013 11:36 PM  #12


Re: is it necessary to take it all to metal/prep tips needed

Shucks!!Well if you were in the Dallas area,you could bring it on down to my place and get you fixed up! Lol I'm used to shooting red by now lol

Understandable..
you gotta do what you gotta do!

 

5/12/2013 6:24 PM  #13


Re: is it necessary to take it all to metal/prep tips needed

I agree with the rest of the guys and gals here. I would suggest using a orbital sander with some 80 or 120 grit sand paper. This is a good way to get to the bare metal with out paying a ton. Or call around to your local trailer shops most have sand blasters and powder coaters that's another idea. You're car does look good but who knows if it was ever hit before and since its primerd good in someways bad also. The previous owner could've had a few two big dents and just filled them. Another good thing for when you buy a classic take a fair magnet and place it on it won't stick on filler unless its real light. If you do strip it which I'd suggest panel by panel make sure you have a good primer some obsorb more water then others. Also when you prime use a epoxy primer any good body shop will tell you that. And the primer must be sprayed no more than 30 days after striping. And I'd say give them a coat of wax greese remover spray them 3 coats of epoxy. You'll be good. 

 

Board footera


REMEMBER!!! When posting a question about your Mustang or other Ford on this forum, BE SURE to tell us what it is, what year, engine, etc so we have enough information to go on.