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ok heres my issue.i have a 68 coupe with a 302 auto.it orig had manual drum brakes,i installed a power brake booster and master cyclinder and proportioning valve off a 68 cougar along with the pedal assembly all off the disc brake cougar parts car.i then used a granada front spindles and calipers and parts to put the disc brakes on it..problem is the brake pedal is rock hard.i have no power brakes.i just rebuilt the booster and had a new master installed,bled the whole system,and i still have the same problem.lots of vaccum at the engine,good check valve,booster is holding pressure,calipers are fine,and still no brakes.could the proportioning valve be the issue?,it is the one off the cougar and not the granada,not sure if it makes a difference or not.i do have some brakes but with the pedal not moving its not good.also when i bled the brakes the pedal travels right to the floor just as it should. any ideas???
thanks kelly
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Are all the parts used or did you install a new master cylinder? I would check the following:
1. With the spindle change, etc., is there a chance that the front calipers are forced to one side so that the piston is effectively bottomed and it can't move? Check to see that the rotors are centered within the caliper and the caliper is free to move over its normal range.
2. Are the pads you are using correct for your combination?
3. I don't know my years well enough but is your proportioning valve offset to one side? If it is the type that must be centered to provide flow to front and rear you it may have shifted during bleeding - giving you flow when bleeders are open but perhaps not correct flow when the system is closed.
4. Not knowing how the pedal and booster fits between a Cougar and Mustang, is your brake pedal pulling fully away from the booster? If not perhaps the booster is not operating properly (no boost) because it is not allowing a vacuum to be pulled and fully "charge" it. You probabaly wouldn't notice this when bleeding but with no boost and the larger bore master you will fight to get any binding at the calipers.
5. Related to 4, is there a proper gap between the actuator and the master cylinder piston. This usually results in a system that won't release the brakes once applied but it is worthwhile to check.
6. If you re-used the old master from the Cougar, how long did it sit? Had it fully drained? Did you attempt to bench-bleed it? Are you sure that they master that was in the Cougar is the correct master in the first place?
That's where I would start until someone posts the real answer.
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the master is brand new as well as the booster,and for a mustang,the pads calipers and rotors are all new for the granada
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I can almost guarantee I know what is wrong with it. When you installed the booster, did you enlarge the center hole in the firewall sufficiently so the rubber bellows on the booster do not touch the firewall at all? Go to my FAQ page about boosters and brake pedals. Near the bottom, there is a FORD template they used when retrofitting a booster onto a non-power brake car.
The problem is the hole is too small and the sides and bottom of the hole grab the rubber boot on the booster and dig into the plastic piston keeping it from moving. Of course, this will require removal of the booster in order to fix it, but you should be well-versed at doing that by now.
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you know im not sure if i did that,i had to drill holes to make it fit but im not sure about the center hole.i have had the car since 1986 so my mind is a little cloudy about when i did it.il get right on it and see if i did it, thanx for the advice and i will let you know.and your right i have done the booster so many times i should be good at it. lol
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is it necessary to pull the pedal bracket also or is it not needed.i will be pulling it apart tommorrow.
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kooter wrote:
is it necessary to pull the pedal bracket also or is it not needed.i will be pulling it apart tommorrow.
No, just get the booster out of the hole and start grinding.
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wow! steve you were exactly right.dont even want to tell you how long i have been dealing with this.power brakes almost put me through the windshield the first time i hit them at mid speed.thank you very much for the great advice. now the issue i have is its still hard pedal at idle and low speed.im pretty sure this has to do with vaccum and the big cam my 400 horse smallblock is putting out.tryed a vaccum cannister but it didnt seem to help to much.guess i need to talk to the hot rod guys to resolve this vaccum issue,unless you have a idea. again thanks for the great advice,worked like a charm,cant belive how long i went with them that way and couldnt figure out how to fix them. thank you.
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turns out i only have 12lbs of vaccum at idle,not enough for my power brakes to run.anyone know of a good electric pump ,not to noisy,or big or expensive to fix this problem.i really want my power brakes to work properly.
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A canister that is properly connected should work with 12 inches vacuum. If you want a pump, the Ford diesel pickups used one that works well. Still suggest using a canister with that.
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Does your booster have a check valve or do you need an in-line check valve? My last car idled with about 7 inches of vacuum and it worked at idle. If you hold it at about 2000 rpm, drop to idle and shut it down, you should have 1 or 2 good vac. assisted brak applications left. If you have none, then you probably don't have a check valve or what you have isn't working correctly.
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my car has a check valve in the top of the booster.and i do have a cannister hooked to it also. i could always change the check valve if i can find one . just to be sure. already changed everything else.
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Try the test described above to see if it holds vac. If you are sure no one is watching, pull the hose (engine off), and suck on it. When you stop, it shouldn't unload. The key is to make sure no one is watching you.
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