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5/08/2013 9:12 PM  #26


Re: 65 FB - Lost my headlights

and pick up a regulator while you are there.  Have you checked the regulator connector?  You might remove it, check the contacts re-seat to be sure.

 

5/08/2013 9:23 PM  #27


Re: 65 FB - Lost my headlights

Take your battery and have it checked too.

 

5/09/2013 7:07 AM  #28


Re: 65 FB - Lost my headlights

Novi be sure to get the over voltage issue straightened out FIRST.  You can ruin and even explode the battery giving it 18V.  Just found that out the hard way on my old Ford tractor that had been switched to 12V with a Chevy one wire alternator. The Alt. started putting out 18V and I didn't know it. If you have good grounds, I would say you probably need another regulator, do you still have the old one to switch them out?  Good luck and be sure to always wear safety glasses or a face shield whenever you work on a battery.  Mike


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5/09/2013 6:51 PM  #29


Re: 65 FB - Lost my headlights

Voltage fluctuation resolved.  Alternator tested good.  Regulator swapped out with solid state version and voltage is constant at all rpms at about 14.2v.

Headlight switch still needs to be addressed as lights still cycle on and off.

Thanks to my son David who did the work to remove and test alt and reg.

Thanks to all the FYI board  members who helped from afar.

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5/10/2013 6:13 AM  #30


Re: 65 FB - Lost my headlights

Have you tried just replacing the switch?  I know you have a new one in there, but I have had new stuff fail also.


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5/10/2013 6:46 AM  #31


Re: 65 FB - Lost my headlights

I will be looking at the switch next.  I want to confirm what light bulbs I purchased.  I thought they were standard incandescant bulbs but now I am not sure.  Maybe they are halogens and that is why the switch is cycling on thermal overload.  Any advice on the switch removal process? Not alot of room under there and IIRC I have to find the little button to remove the knob first.

The regulator I just replaced is new also.  Unfortunately since I purchased alot of these parts over the course of a 12 year restoration, I lost any warranty by now.

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5/10/2013 6:54 AM  #32


Re: 65 FB - Lost my headlights

Rick, I remember in one of your posts you said you the turn signals stoped working. If they are still not working and all bulbs are good, the flasher may have been damaged with the high voltage issue.


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5/10/2013 10:16 AM  #33


Re: 65 FB - Lost my headlights

NR, make sure that your new switch has the right nose piece on it before you pull your old one.  Here is a picture of the two styles.  I had a new switch in the trunk for 30 years.(for my '65 convertible)  When I finally needed it, it had the wrong nose piece on it. (piece to the left)  I had to pry off the long one and tack weld it to the new switch.



Yeah, the switch is pretty easy to pull.  Find the button, pull out the knob, unscrew the escutcheon and drop the switch down.  Then use a little screw driver to pry the connector block off the switch.

Last edited by boomyal (5/10/2013 10:18 AM)

 

5/10/2013 8:01 PM  #34


Re: 65 FB - Lost my headlights

The halogen lights needing relays is a myth.  I had them on my car for 20 years with the old wiring and original switch.  Yeah, they might burn a little brighter with relays, but halogen lights are not going to trash a switch on their own.


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5/11/2013 8:48 PM  #35


Re: 65 FB - Lost my headlights

I'm Novi Rick's son. Here's an update on the situation.

I replaced the headlight switch today and that appears to have solved the problem with the headlights. However, the turn signals are still not working. The only thing we know for sure is that it is not because of blown bulbs. Any ideas?

 

5/11/2013 8:55 PM  #36


Re: 65 FB - Lost my headlights

Novi David wrote:

I'm Novi Rick's son. Here's an update on the situation.

I replaced the headlight switch today and that appears to have solved the problem with the headlights. However, the turn signals are still not working. The only thing we know for sure is that it is not because of blown bulbs. Any ideas?

 Hallelujah on the headlight switch.  It is usually the simple solution that always gets tried last.

Do the brake lights work?  If they do, you need to work on or replace the turn signal switch.


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5/11/2013 9:21 PM  #37


Re: 65 FB - Lost my headlights

Look at post 32 replac the flasher.


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5/11/2013 9:23 PM  #38


Re: 65 FB - Lost my headlights

The brake lights work when the lights are on and when the pedal is depressed. When the turn signal switch is on, the side of the car that should be flashing is off.

 

5/11/2013 9:27 PM  #39


Re: 65 FB - Lost my headlights

Forgot to mention we did try to replace the flasher and there was no effect

 

5/11/2013 10:25 PM  #40


Re: 65 FB - Lost my headlights

Did you check your fuses. The brake and turn signal get positive from 2 different sources even though they operate the same bulb. Sorry if I had you buy a new flasher. Send me the bill I'm good for it. If fuses are all good pull wires from flasher, with key on one should have solid 12 volt positive to ground. Let us know someone can take it from there.


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5/12/2013 9:25 AM  #41


Re: 65 FB - Lost my headlights

I had the same problem with my turn signals.  I put a new turn signal switch in and everything worked fine,
To make sure it was the switch and not something else, I pulled the connection loose and with the key on, I found which pin was hot on the car side of the connection. I then used the used the  hot wire and touched each pin on the car side.  When I did, each individual signal light would flash.  Remember to be careful and to touch the hot wire to the car side of the connection and not the steering wheel side.  Once I saw that everything worked, a new signal switch was installed and everything works fine now.  It is easy to burn up the switch, especially with the voltage you were talking about.

 

5/12/2013 11:32 AM  #42


Re: 65 FB - Lost my headlights

Is there a special tool to remove the wire connecting pins from the harness or can something else be used?  I seem to recall I had a difficult time removing these wires the first time and broke some of the pin off the harness.

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5/12/2013 11:43 AM  #43


Re: 65 FB - Lost my headlights

rick,
MS posted this not long ago but, take a ballpoint pen apart and use the ink tube.....slide it over the pin and it will depress the tang.....keep slight pulling pressure applied to each wire as you  do this and they'll slide out.
back in the day, i ddin't know about this trick but was able deprees the tang using a small flat blade screw driver...the kind you'd use to tighten the screws on a pair of glasses.....

 

5/15/2013 6:01 AM  #44


Re: 65 FB - Lost my headlights

Replaced the turn signal switch and we are still having problems.

Right turn signal seems to function normally although blinks a little fast.

Left turn signal blinks but dimly.  At the same time the ALT light blinks too.  Brake lights are both working and normal brightness so it's not the bulb. What are the likely problems and how do I test to confirm? Possible bad connection with the left side wiring? Bad turn signal switch out of the box? Short?

Ugh!  By the way, this is my son David (about 13 years ago).

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5/15/2013 6:41 AM  #45


Re: 65 FB - Lost my headlights

David must have a pretty strong grip to have bent that door like that !

Check grounds for left rear light, and make sure bulb is not in the socket backwards.


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5/15/2013 6:58 AM  #46


Re: 65 FB - Lost my headlights

Bulb backwards?  Didn't know a bulb could be installed backwards.

If the turn signal bulb is backwards, why would the brake light bulb work normally?  And the turn signals worked correctly before my over charging issues.  Connections, swittch or grounds seem more likely.  How do I go about testing for this electrical issue?

Man, there is so much that I don't know it scares me to think that I put any of this car back together and that anything works at all!

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5/15/2013 8:16 AM  #47


Re: 65 FB - Lost my headlights

Sounds like a short. Is there any chance the new switch is shorting out inside the steering colum when the turn signal is on?


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5/15/2013 9:13 AM  #48


Re: 65 FB - Lost my headlights

When you say the light is "Blinking Fast", are you looking at the actual turn lights - both front and rear?  Fast blinking is usually caused by one of the bulbs not functioning.  "Dim Light", is that both front and rear or just one?  Usually caused by bad ground at the light that is not working.  Something else that can cause misery - if one of the filaments in a bulb has burned in two, and fallen onto the good filament.  You should be able to see this by visual inspection.  And, as a last suggestion, run a jumper wire from the negative battery post to a good CHASSIS ground and see if it makes a difference.
Good luck.

 

5/15/2013 9:28 AM  #49


Re: 65 FB - Lost my headlights

wsinsle wrote:

Sounds like a short. Is there any chance the new switch is shorting out inside the steering colum when the turn signal is on?

 
Seems like the power is being lost somewhere.  How do I check & test for this?

For Pablo, when I say blinking fast I don't mean that it is blinking too fast, just faster than I remember prior to changing out all these components (regulator, headlight switch, turn signal switch, flasher can).

Last edited by Novi Rick (5/15/2013 9:31 AM)

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5/15/2013 10:20 AM  #50


Re: 65 FB - Lost my headlights

To check for short: Pull both plugs going into steering column (6 pin & 2 pin), start with side of plug that goes up the column. Use an ohm meter about a 200 ohm setting. Measure ohms from a good ground to each pin. Readings should all be infinite. If these readings are not infinite you have a short n the column NEXT If your wiring uses same colors as stock, measure ohms from blue wire. With right turn signal on measure blue to orange/blue then measure blue to white/blue. Should read zero ohms on both tests. With left signal on, measure blue to green/white then measure blue to green/orange. Should read zero ohms on both tests. Start with this more to come.

I should add when checking each pin to ground check with turn signal sw. in each position. Left, Right and Center. Expecially Letf, thats wher your having the most trouble.

Last edited by wsinsle (5/15/2013 11:08 AM)


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