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Everyday I drive by this 1960 Ford F100 4x4 which looks like a pretty awesome rig. At one point I stopped and talked to the owner and he said he might consider selling it. He mentioned it has a 292 in it with a 4 speed manual. I dont know enough about these old F100 to know what it would be worth, it is in pretty good shape a few rust spots, and he mentioned it was running before he parked it where it sits.I can take a few pictures when I get off shift and back home if anybody cares to see it.
Have always wanted an old heavy duty truck to tinker on, go shooting/hunting/ off roading, I am wondering what would it be worth as I have not seen any others for sale like it? Anything I should look for when I go take a closer look at it?
Overall any input would be appreciated from the salty dogs out there!
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Any large amount of rust would concern me. I'm talking rust-thru HOLES! Not surface.
Next....what about the chrome? All the pieces there? MIGHT be hard to find replacement trim.
Only engine tougher than the 298/302 is the 292/312 Y block Ford. If your plans are to make a really slick/trick cruiser ride....I would replace the 292 with something more powerful and bling-ee.
Just a cool old work/hunting truck....rebuild the 292...maybe swap in a 312 crank assembly...clean up and spray paint under the hood.....repair/replace the rusty stuff....get a Maaco paint job ...or shoot it yourself.
Something sorta cheap/economy so you won't have a stroke when a tree branch or "the woods" scrapes it.
6sally6
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The Y blocks have some "upper end" oiling issues once the cam bearings wear. If your able to pull a valve cover and run the engine you will see if it has enough valve train oiling or not. The groove in the middle cam bearing is what supplies the oil. Once the groove wears down oil pressure is reduced. The fix would be to turn this grove down a few thousandths. Other than that it is regular parts wear. Had to be a reason it was parked...try to find that. But I would think 3 to 5k would be about right for this needing a bunch of work.
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Well I did ah quick Ebay search, and the prices are all over the place with these trucks? I was looking for ah 59 before I went off the deep end and bought an Army truck. These shoe box body fords were concidered the ugly duckling of the f- series trucks and therefore were left to rot. I myself like them, Soo ugly there cool yah know? Now there getting harder to find, especially the 4X4's. It's kinda borderline wether you should restore ah truck like this, vs use it as ah hunting truck? My opinion, if your looking to do some off roading I'd go for somthing from the 70's or 80's. there cheap to buy, plentiful, and still easy ,and cheap to fix. Not to mention better axles, and more after market parts avalible. Where as parts will be much harder to track down for this truck.
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Derek wrote:
Well I did ah quick Ebay search, and the prices are all over the place with these trucks? I was looking for ah 59 before I went off the deep end and bought an Army truck. These shoe box body fords were concidered the ugly duckling of the f- series trucks and therefore were left to rot. I myself like them, Soo ugly there cool yah know
? Now there getting harder to find, especially the 4X4's. It's kinda borderline wether you should restore ah truck like this, vs use it as ah hunting truck? My opinion, if your looking to do some off roading I'd go for somthing from the 70's or 80's. there cheap to buy, plentiful, and still easy ,and cheap to fix. Not to mention better axles, and more after market parts avalible. Where as parts will be much harder to track down for this truck.
Yeah would have to agree "so ugly they are cool", and kinda hard to find, I see very few like this one- I goodled F100 4x4 pictures and there is some cool loking ones that have been built!
Having said that- I got off shift and went and took a few pictures of the rig, did a quick once over and it appears to be in good shape. A few things I did notice were there was another axle, transfer case, and some other odds and ends. The owner did say he bought the truck, drove it home with the intention of "fixing it up" and lost the motivation? All the running gear came witht he truck from the PO? I might make him an offer if I can start it up and drive it home, last thing I need is another non-running vehicle in the yard- I dont think the wife will understand..... Lets see about posting some of those pictures.
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I have quite a few 292 and 312 y block parts manifolds cams I have an ole school I beleive edelbrock four barel manifold for that motor.
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My buddy had a 58 it wasn't a 4x4 he slammed it put coyote 5.0 in it with an AODE trans and customized the front end a little to have a 56 ford chrome grille and headlights in there. Very sweet truck. I'll see if I can get some pics.
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Wonder how it would look if you lowered the body some and then put taller wheels on it?
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True74yamaha wrote:
I have quite a few 292 and 312 y block parts manifolds cams I have an ole school I beleive edelbrock four barel manifold for that motor.
Where did you acquire these parts? In my research and as stated above sound like you can do some easy/cheap mods to up the HP on these motors? Like a 312 crank, as 6sally6 mentioned. Primary focus is getting my 65 vert done, but after driving by this truck everyday its starting to grow on me!
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These old y blocks are very "old stool".stroking one will help butt the tiny heads of this era really "choke""thesr engines. they respond to hot rod techniques butt Knott like the later Windsor design with lighter weight and a little better breathing options. Imho
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devovino wrote:
True74yamaha wrote:
I have quite a few 292 and 312 y block parts manifolds cams I have an ole school I beleive edelbrock four barel manifold for that motor.
Where did you acquire these parts? In my research and as stated above sound like you can do some easy/cheap mods to up the HP on these motors? Like a 312 crank, as 6sally6 mentioned. Primary focus is getting my 65 vert done, but after driving by this truck everyday its starting to grow on me!
My buddy Is huge hot rodder he's 78 and and still going at it. so he has aquired a lot of parts over the the years. he basically told me what ever he has that I want basically I can have or if I can sell if for him it helps him out. He has a vintage 289 performer vintage four barrel manifold. And a bunch of old flat head parts. As well as a built Mercury bored stroked flat head with offen houser heads and 3 Duces. If anyone is interested. He also has several different transmissions
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True74yamaha wrote:
devovino wrote:
True74yamaha wrote:
I have quite a few 292 and 312 y block parts manifolds cams I have an ole school I beleive edelbrock four barel manifold for that motor.
Where did you acquire these parts? In my research and as stated above sound like you can do some easy/cheap mods to up the HP on these motors? Like a 312 crank, as 6sally6 mentioned. Primary focus is getting my 65 vert done, but after driving by this truck everyday its starting to grow on me!
My buddy Is huge hot rodder he's 78 and and still going at it. so he has aquired a lot of parts over the the years. he basically told me what ever he has that I want basically I can have or if I can sell if for him it helps him out. He has a vintage 289 performer vintage four barrel manifold. And a bunch of old flat head parts. As well as a built Mercury bored stroked flat head with offen houser heads and 3 Duces. If anyone is interested. He also has several different transmissions
Well more power to hm for going strong still! Does the vintage four barrell performer head look like this one? It was on the old 302 block I pulled out of my 65?
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Sorry you pic didn't post
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If you are serious about a 292 or 312 engine, the old school cylinder head to use is called a "G" head. The 4th letter in the casting number will be the "G". As in ECZG, or some variant of that. It has bigger intake valves. We used those to run "Stock" class. They were usually stock on truck engines. If the engine in the 60 is the factory engine, it may have the "G" heads already. Also, that funky crossover exhaust pipe has to go!
Good Luck.
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True74yamaha wrote:
Sorry you pic didn't post
Odd, sometimes when I cut and past it works, other times it does not. lets try again.
In doing some research on Mustang Tek just now, it looks like the intake manifold
It says it off of a 69 Mustang J-Code, which makes sense as the motor (302) is out of a 68 Mustang. I had never heard of a J-Code motor before, any significance to this?
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Oops, that was supposed to say 68 Mustang J-code, I just went and here is the picture of the engine code (behind the starter):
I am getting off on a tangent now from the original topic, but might this block be worth saving/rebuilding? In looking into the J-Code, seems to have had 289 heads, just with bigger valves and small combustion chambers for the first year 302 4bbl? Any truth to this>?
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devovino wrote:
Oops, that was supposed to say 68 Mustang J-code, I just went and here is the picture of the engine code (behind the starter):
I am getting off on a tangent now from the original topic, but might this block be worth saving/rebuilding? In looking into the J-Code, seems to have had 289 heads, just with bigger valves and small combustion chambers for the first year 302 4bbl? Any truth to this>?
Don't know for shore butt.......didn't the 302 come in a 225HP version? Came with a 4 barrel carb and a little higher compression? If so this would fit.
Justa a wild a$$ guess
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I have never seen a Ford part specify what code of vehicle it came off, In your case J-Code.
C8OE-6015-A
C8= 68
O=Fairlane/torino
E= Engine
6015 specific part number
A=289/302
The J code would come off the VIN of the car specifically VIN number 8F09J123456 would be a 68 built in Dearborn with a 302-4V
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terry wrote:
I have never seen a Ford part specify what code of vehicle it came off, In your case J-Code.
C8OE-6015-A
C8= 68
O=Fairlane/torino
E= Engine
6015 specific part number
A=289/302
The J code would come off the VIN of the car specifically VIN number 8F09J123456 would be a 68 built in Dearborn with a 302-4V
Gotcha, and since my car is a 65- A code and the motor was put in after the fact and seems to have been a re-power, I can only go off what Mustang-tek says it is. Other than that thanks for the input.
As for the F-100 I originally went on off on a tangent about, I might stop by and make an offer as I know he no longer wants it. Take a closer look at it to see the motor code, check for rust more extensively and what not. I do have another motor sitting in my garage that I could potentially put in it, a 289 I bought a while back to put in the convertible, but then thought about going another route. I would not think the 4 speed manual in the truck now would adapt to a 289 would it?
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Get a bellhousing that fits a windsor block and you could mount that 289 to the 4 speed. If I was you though, I'd upgrade the transmission. The 4 speed they put in those was a t98. I believe you would be better off with a t18 or a np405. Thats what they put in later model fords.
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It would be a T98, but I don't know that I'd spend any money to swap a T98 for a T18. They have basically identical gear ratios. In fact the T98 top cover continued to be used on the T18, so most T18s actually have T98 stamped into the top. The only way to know for sure its a T18 is to pull the top cover and count the gear teet. If I were going to look to swap the trans I'd try to go to a 5 speed to get an OD gear for better highway cruising. Something like an NV4500 maybe.
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I suggested a t18 cause they're easier to find in good shape than a t98 and it is was an improvement. Going with a 5speed will cost more beause of the need of custom driveshafts and unless it's going on the road alot, is basically worthless.
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