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The stock location is to drop down the front passenger side.
To run the lines to the rear I can head back between the oil pan and the motor mount and then either try to go up over the starter or go to the frame rail and then cross-over to the tunnel. The header is pretty well centered on this side, making it a little tricky.
I have seen people run them through the apron and down more like the oem routing, but not too wild about that option either, but it may be better. Also saw where someone bent the lines to go across to the front drivers side and then turn back. Aftermarket rails/regulator is a pretty costly alternative.
A better solution looks to be to run out the back-side and down the drivers side of the tunnel near the brake line.
It looks like the way the injectors are angled the fuel rail could be turned 180 degrees, but not sure if the regulator will still fit or if thats even possible at all?
I found the picture below which told me there is something else out there, and looks to be an explorer fuel rail like here.
Any known issues or better options?
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Never tried flipping the rail, but I would advise trial fitting the upper intake before committing to that course. I'm not saying it will interfere, but it might and it would suck to get the lines all laid out to find a problem like that while you're trying to button the whole thing up.
Another option may be to see what layout the factory fuel rails had on other 5.0 engines. They ran that engine in trucks too for example, and if I remember right the air intake was on the LH side instead of the RH side on a truck. This may have necessitated a different fuel rail due to upper intake interference. Again, I can't say for sure, but its worth doing some Googling.
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Thanks, I search pretty thoroughly before posting a question, but sometimes it is one keyword (explorer) that makes the difference.
I did locate this thread that states:
Other wrote:
For those wanting to use Explorer fuel rails, here's what I did and it appears that all will work fine:
- '89 5.0 engine & distributor
- '93 Mustang Cobra upper & lower intakes
- '96 Explorer fuel rails (the ones with return lines)
- '94/'95 Mustang adjustable fuel pressure regulator (Mallory)
- FMS 24# injectors
- Ron Morris flexible fuel lines routed via transmission tunnel (with appropriate precautions in order to route fuel lines in this area)
But someone else had a distributor clearance issue in the same thread. My 5.0 is a 90, so I guess I will hunt down a 96 explorer fuel rail unless I find a better option.
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I have read a few items regarding the explorer fuel rail, too. Looks like a nice option. Part of the equation is what you are doing for fuel feed. How and where are you going to feed fuel at the high pressure? Edelbrock has a compact sump unit you can mount under the hood, and use a stock mechanical fuel pump to fill the sump, and it has a submersed HP pump that feeds a short run to the fuel rail. Looks pricey, but I bet something similar could be fabbed.
Have you seen JamesW's website?
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Is your fuel rail from a fox Mustang?? If so most of us run it in the stock Fox relation. (Front right connections.
You won't much like reversing the upper, unless you also fab new Throttle body linkage.
I re-purposed the origional 65 fuel supply line as the fuel injection return line.
Tubo
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tubo, I don't want to rotate the intake itself, just get the fuel-lines to exit to the rear since that looks like the most direct route. As an aside, I found the little aluminum spacers to replace the egr throttle bracket mount are $50+ which seems a little ridiculous. Don't see any purpose other than to hold the bracket and not seeing any other off the shelf solution.
timc, Definitely familiar with the midnight designs website, but didn't know it by his name. I plan to run both lines to the rear.
If the stock rails can be rotated the regulator would be under the intake and no idea if it would work, thats what I first thought was in the picture, but you can see the regulator top right.
I have searched e-bay completed listings for "(302, 5.0) fuel rail" and the only rails I have found that exit to the rear and keep the regulator in the same place is the explorer one. They have sold in the past for $30-40.
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yes, get a fuel rail off an explorer or F150 pickup. But you're going to face the same delimma... fuel lines that cross over the top of an exhaust pipe. Here the only option would be to run the fuel lines down the ridge of the tunnel.... not an easy feat with the motor/trans still in the car.
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The '89 and '90 engines would be the same. The '93 Cobra intake is the same as the Cobra intake sold through FRPP, and is also interally identical to the GT40 intake also sold through FRPP and used on first gen Lightning trucks. The GT40 is basically a tubular upper version of the Cobra, which is cast. Remember if you run #24 injectors you also need to run a mass air calibrated for #24s. Cobras ran a unique setup where they retained a #19 calibrated mass air, but ran #24 injectors, and the ECU was programmed to allow this and fuel accordingly. If you try to run that setup without a Cobra ECU it will not run right. The Cobra ECUs are rare and probably demand a premium becuase of the Cobra name. Its best just to run a regular ECU and run the right mass air meter for your injectors.
The mechanical pump to sump to high pressure system is interesting. Its like how the GM 6.2 Diesel worked. They used a block mounted lift pump to feed the high pressure injection pump that stepped up the pressure to injection pressure. More complexity there though, and each additional part is a part that can potentially fail.
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JamesW! Very cool, I really like all the information you put up on your site, and happy to hear I am on the right track. I did searches for f150 fuel rails, but never found anything that looked like the explorer one.
I am in a test-fit mode right now and so will be able to pull everyhing to run the fuel lines. Looks like more room on the drivers side with the way the t5 sits.
tko, thanks, I had been wondering what would need to change with different injectors, but assumed the rails would work correct with the ones stock ones I have?
Is there any reason to have a spacer between the manifold and the throttle-body other than for the throttle bracket? I haven't found anything yet other than it might make the throttle cable a little tighter next to the regulator once a bracket was worked out.
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Yes, the rails will work with any stock style injector, which go up to at least #42s.
The F150 rails may well be different than the Explorer rails in '96, because at that point I believe the Explorer was still being built on the Ranger platform, making it and the F150 substaintially different.
The EGR spacer between the throttle body and the intake serves a purpose, even without the EGR. The spacer has coolant flowing through it. It was once common practice to plug the coolant lines and leave the spacer dry. Without getting into a log explanation; don't do that. Its beneficial to have the coolant circulating through there. People used to claim it cost power due to the heat it added. Fact is it does the opposite.
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I removed the EGR spacer and used the 1/2" plate because I needed the space in the '65 to make the turn for the snorkel I was using. '67s and up are wider and don't have the same problem.
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