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3/14/2015 3:34 PM  #1


Maverick/Granada/Monarch steering/spindles in a 1963 Falcon/Mustang

If I do a UCA drop with Maverick spindles shouldn't the height difference between the falcon and Maverick/Granada spindle be factored into the amount of drop? I don't have them both in front of me but i've heard the Mav/gran spindle is something like 3-5/16" taller
 

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3/14/2015 5:08 PM  #2


Re: Maverick/Granada/Monarch steering/spindles in a 1963 Falcon/Mustang

They are same height.


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3/14/2015 6:19 PM  #3


Re: Maverick/Granada/Monarch steering/spindles in a 1963 Falcon/Mustang

Hey Steve thanks for the reply good then I can order your template kit must be another of those peices of misinformation you pick up along the way when I get the Falcon spindles off I'll double check just out of curiosity....so basically the main difference is the different location of the steering arms? Which brings me to my next question....I'm attempting to install a 1976 Maverick steering system into a 1963 Falcon my research has indicated that it is possible have you ever heard of anyone doing this? I think the fact that i'm using the linkage and spindles together should prevent alot of the bumpsteer issues the mixing of mav/gran spindles and falcon steering causes....any thoughts or ideas on this swap?

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3/14/2015 6:23 PM  #4


Re: Maverick/Granada/Monarch steering/spindles in a 1963 Falcon/Mustang

Not sure about your linkage fitting or not, but the ackerman angle of the spindles is off for your car and the linkage has nothing to do with that.


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3/14/2015 6:53 PM  #5


Re: Maverick/Granada/Monarch steering/spindles in a 1963 Falcon/Mustang

Thanks again Steve Yes but isnt it the same for anyone mating a '65 steering to the 67 up Mustang & Mav/Gran later spindles angle too? so shouldn't the same alignment and UCA drop cures apply ...or am I missing something? I remember a time not so long ago when there wasn't a lot of off the shelf parts available people had to go out into the junkyards and discover through trial and error it just seemed to me that someone out there would have stuck a maverick steering in a 6cyl manual steer mustang at some point along the way since their width is closer than the falcon......I have seen both 66 mustang and granada centrelinks used in 64 falcons....apparently the key is in the alignment shop's skills.....I was thinking if the idler and pitman arms are the same distance apart (the maverick centrelink is the exact same as the Falcon's 25.5") if transferred complete to the falcon why does this negatively affect things?

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3/15/2015 7:00 AM  #6


Re: Maverick/Granada/Monarch steering/spindles in a 1963 Falcon/Mustang

Hey,
I am in the process of building a 63 Falcon and I am using the Granada design spindles (new ones with the right geometry), but that doesnt matter, the main part is the center link, it is specific to the 65 falcon V8 manual steer, NO a 62 or 64 wont work. You nee the correct 65 Falcon part for eveything to line up correctly, there are several sites out there that will compare the differences, but basically the inner tie rod holes are located further in to put the tie rods at the same angle as the lower control arm (help with bump steer), and the pitman arm mounting location is different. Check out these links below.

http://www.falconparts.com/ford-falcon-auto-parts/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=769

The center link is expensive, $150, but makes everythin else work correctly. Once you use the 65 center link, everything else is just normal 65 parts that are far less pricey compared to the early falcon parts.

http://www.cometeastcarclub.org/PDFs/SteeringUpgrade.pdf

http://www.falconparts.com/ford-falcon-auto-parts/pc/V6-to-V8-Steering-Conversion-d19.htm

 

 

3/15/2015 3:03 PM  #7


Re: Maverick/Granada/Monarch steering/spindles in a 1963 Falcon/Mustang

Thanks for the links very informative.......the main issue i'm still grappling with in this purely theoretical discussion is that the ackerman is the the only thing that seems to be affected once you have corrected for toe ....the cometeast link really broke down why the '65 link is better than the '64 but I think the maverick link will still move the tierod inboard more than even the '65

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3/15/2015 4:02 PM  #8


Re: Maverick/Granada/Monarch steering/spindles in a 1963 Falcon/Mustang

....hmm I don't get it.... the distance between the pitman stud and the idler mount are the exact same 25.5"s for the Maverick/Comet and '65 V8 Falcon/Comet centrelink , the spindles come from the same car, is the difference in the angle the spindles sit at? Why would the ackerman change if swapping over the entire system?

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3/16/2015 6:53 AM  #9


Re: Maverick/Granada/Monarch steering/spindles in a 1963 Falcon/Mustang

Using Granada spindles on 65/66 Mustangs also results in improper ackerman angles and their associated issues.  The racer guys sometimes heat and bend the radius arms to get the correct ackerman.  I carry aftermarket spindles for Granada and 68-73 Mustang disc brakes, but with correct ackerman for 65/66 Mustangs.


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3/30/2015 4:02 AM  #10


Re: Maverick/Granada/Monarch steering/spindles in a 1963 Falcon/Mustang

Hey Steve as you say " there are no dumb questions" that being said... so either way I go repro '65 falcon or stock w sleeves I'll still have the incorrect ackerman with these (Maverick) spindles. I don't really want to bend them Can the uca drop help that? If so... what part? the lowering of the uca or the 1/8" back? or the shimming of the uca? are there bump steer kits available?

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3/30/2015 6:20 AM  #11


Re: Maverick/Granada/Monarch steering/spindles in a 1963 Falcon/Mustang

If you use incorrect ackerman spindles, the only way to make them work right is to bend the arms or replace with spindles having correct geometry. I sell them but am not trying to convince you to buy them. On some cars the problem is barely noticeable. On others it is almost undriveable. UCA drop usually makes it worse.

Get the right steering parts and try it. It may be ok. But if the car seems to have a mind of it's own, just be aware of what might be causing it.


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4/20/2015 5:17 PM  #12


Re: Maverick/Granada/Monarch steering/spindles in a 1963 Falcon/Mustang

Steve, if the idler and pitman arms are the same distance apart (the maverick centrelink is the exact same as the Falcon's 25.5") if transferred complete to the falcon spindles and all why does this negatively affect things? - thanks

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4/20/2015 5:46 PM  #13


Re: Maverick/Granada/Monarch steering/spindles in a 1963 Falcon/Mustang

The ackerman angle on the spindles are different.


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