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5/31/2013 7:46 AM  #1


Electric question.....

Trying to find why my fan won't turn on. I posted earlier a out my upper radiator hose coming off due to overheating a d pressure. Anyways below is what I tested so far. Need some input and where to g from here. By the way, fan is wired through a relay and in line fuse. On the relay itself 85 goes to the selinoid I terminal. 86 goes to the temp sensor. 87 goes to positive side of battery with in line fuse. 30 goes to the positive side of fan. 87a is unused. 

1. In line fuse is good and in properly. 
2.  Tested fan by hooking it straight to the battery, worked great. 
3. Tested relay and it clicked and worked good. Had resistance between 87 and 30 when 85 and 86 were closed. 
4. Tested resistance from sensor wire to relay and got 2ohms
5. Tested resistance from selinoid I terminal and relay and got 2ohms. 
6.  Tested resistance from relay and battery wire and got the same 2ohms. 
7.  Hooked it all back together. Turned the car ignition switch to on. Grounded the temp sensor wire and fan would not come on.

This setup worked great before I pulled the engine. Should I just rewire the whole thing? I did switch to aluminum heads, but the temp sensor is the same as before. At a lose. If y'all need to see a diagram of the wiring I can upload one. Thanks y'all. 
 

Last edited by Tmac (5/31/2013 7:47 AM)


1966 Mustang Fastback K-Code,289,T-5, 9-inch rear with 3.50 gears.
 

5/31/2013 7:51 AM  #2


Re: Electric question.....

Is your temp sensor installed with teflon tape?  It makes a pretty good insulator and can prevent your ground condition to fire the relay.

 

5/31/2013 8:17 AM  #3


Re: Electric question.....

Yes. There is Teflon tape on the sensor. What should I use instead to sell the sensor? Even with that, shouldn't the fan switch on when I ground the sensor wire?


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5/31/2013 8:49 AM  #4


Re: Electric question.....

Missed #7 above.  Where are you grounding it to?  Is your engine block well-grounded to the frame?

 

5/31/2013 8:54 AM  #5


Re: Electric question.....

The problem is where you have the 85 wire. The 'I' terminal on the selinoid only has positive on it when the key is in the start position. You could remove that wire and place a jumper between 85 and 87. This will run the fan as long as the sensor is closed even with the key off. Or you could connect the 85 wire to a switch positive, this will turn the fan off when key is off.


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5/31/2013 9:19 AM  #6


Re: Electric question.....

There is another slight problem, if your relay has an internal diode to help save the sensor contact. The way you have the 85 and 86 is backwards. You will either blow a fuse or toast the diode in the relay. If this turns out to be a problem jumper 87 to 86 (instead of 85). Run the sensor to the 85 contact. If you don't have a diode in the relay it will burn the sensor contact up a lot sooner. If you use a key positive to switch off the relay it could burn the key contact up sooner.


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5/31/2013 12:06 PM  #7


Re: Electric question.....

Ok. I wired the switched 12V from the relay, this is the one wired to the I terminal on the selinoid, to the battery. And clipped the sensor wire to the negative side of battery. The fan came on and ran great. So I'm gonna take the Teflon off the sensor in the intake manifold. I even put the ground wire to the intake to make sure the engine is grounded good. The fan cam on and ran great. So I'm thinking its the sensor. What y'all think?


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5/31/2013 12:26 PM  #8


Re: Electric question.....

You could check continuity from the case of the sensor to the engine right next to it.  And, if you clip the sensor wire to the engine block the fan should also come on as it did when you went to batt negative.  If you don't have continuity from the sensor case to engine ground, remove the teflon and try some pliable form-a-gasket.  If you do have continuity, then the sensor may be bad.  What is it's temperature rating - close temp and open temp?  And related to some earlier posts, are you sure that the sensing element is fully immursed in coolant?  I think when you look at the sensors (someone posted a nice link showing a long list of them) they show the on/off temps, the thread type, whether they are normally open or normally closed, and the tip extension.  When your engine reaches operating temperature it should close so that is another test you can do.  It's not a bad idea to run another sensor ground wire into the interior somewhere and put in a switch which is just a simple switch to ground  You can hide it under the dash out of the way.  In the event that the sensor fails, you can over-ride it with the switch.  I used this setup to cover a potential bad sensor and when I was running on the highway.  Seemed like the car wanted to get hot quickly when exiting so I would turn the fan on manually as I was exiting before it got hot.  That approach seemed to work better than having a lower temperature sensor and I always turned the fan on in stop and go traffic.

 

5/31/2013 12:35 PM  #9


Re: Electric question.....

I have continuity from the base of the sensor. I also grounded the side of the sensor and the fan came on. I just wired in a new engine temp gauge and sensor. I'm gonna run it and see if the fan comes on. Ill look t the paperwork. But I'm pretty sure it goes on at 210 and off at 185. But I will find out. 


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5/31/2013 1:33 PM  #10


Re: Electric question.....

I don't think you need to do anything with the sensor just move the positive wire.


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5/31/2013 1:40 PM  #11


Re: Electric question.....

The reason I said to get rid of the wire to the solenoid and place a jumper between the 85 and 87 terminals is you will then only have one wire to the battery and it is already fused


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5/31/2013 2:17 PM  #12


Re: Electric question.....

Ok. Ran the new temp sensor. It works great. At idling on the driveway it never got above 200.  I moved the switch power wire for the fan to a switch 12V. Now the fan runs all the time. I used the switch 12V on the ignition switch.  As soon as I move the key to "on" the fan comes on. That's a lot juice to run at start up. I am also running an MSD box as well. 


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