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So rather than Junk it out for $200 Im going to give a shot at changing the Head Gaskets. Dealership want $2000 to
do the job and I see why. But the parts are $200 so I thought I give a try. Have nothing to loose and heck maybe it run again...LOL.
Steve69
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I've taken that approach many times. Since it's already broke, how can you hurt it!! Good luck.
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Presuming that it is the infamous GM V6, you have my sympathies. I have done intake gaskets on a few of those and they are a pain. Read the list for special tools you may need.....
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Thanks for support Guys!
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What is in it for an engine? Vortec 4.3 or something else? Have fun working through the doghouse .
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MachTJ wrote:
What is in it for an engine? Vortec 4.3 or something else? Have fun working through the doghouse .
3.4. Known for intake and head gasket issues. Great Engine besides that.
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MachTJ wrote:
What is in it for an engine? Vortec 4.3 or something else? Have fun working through the doghouse .
Don't believe the Venture has a doghouse. Isn't it a transverse FWD?
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Ah yes the 3.4, we get alot of those heads in the shop for pressure test and resurfacing. I have pressure tested a bunch, and still have not seen one cracked. The exhaust studs are prone to breaking during removal. It's usually not a big deal to remove them. Definately recommend resurfacing the heads if they check out good. Also don't over torque the rocker arm bolts, certain years there have been problems with the bolts taking out the threads in the aluminum head. Lastly I recommend using a Felpro head gasket set. It may be called a problem solver set. What it does is replace the factory plastic/ rubber insert intake gaskets with a steel gasket with rubber gasket material on both sides.
I ran into an issue when i did intake gaskets on my buddies grand am, and i used Victor Reinz intake set. I ended up doing the job again the following year because the stupid plastic gasket with rubber insert failed again. Even with the metal tabs that are supposed to prevent over tightening, its a crappy design. So I went with the Felpro set and its been 7 years since I did the job the second time and no problems.
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MachTJ wrote:
Ah yes the 3.4, we get alot of those heads in the shop for pressure test and resurfacing. I have pressure tested a bunch, and still have not seen one cracked. The exhaust studs are prone to breaking during removal. It's usually not a big deal to remove them. Definately recommend resurfacing the heads if they check out good. Also don't over torque the rocker arm bolts, certain years there have been problems with the bolts taking out the threads in the aluminum head. Lastly I recommend using a Felpro head gasket set. It may be called a problem solver set. What it does is replace the factory plastic/ rubber insert intake gaskets with a steel gasket with rubber gasket material on both sides.
I ran into an issue when i did intake gaskets on my buddies grand am, and i used Victor Reinz intake set. I ended up doing the job again the following year because the stupid plastic gasket with rubber insert failed again. Even with the metal tabs that are supposed to prevent over tightening, its a crappy design. So I went with the Felpro set and its been 7 years since I did the job the second time and no problems.
I was going to have them checked for cracks and resurfaced. I had the Intake Gasket replaced under warranty at 120K They wouldn't do the head gaskets. Should of paid the extra to have the heads done too. I have 186K on it now. I did see the Cheaper set of gaskets for $68.00 including the head bolts on Ebay...LOL Im going to buy the $133 Felpro and buy the head bolts too. I just want to get it running again to sell or hand it down to the next kid in line that gets there Drivers License. Ill watch the tightening of rocker arms. I see some of the torque specs are in inches. I think my torque wrench is in pounds. The heads are torqued to 44 then you have to do another 90 degree torque Why wouldn't they just have the proper tourqe and be done with it? Ill have to watch that too. Thanks MachTJ!
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Blue Devil head gasket sealer in a bottle.....is your friend. I used it on my daughters Saturn and it worked for over a year and several thousand miles. Costs about 50.00 bucks and guaranteed to work.
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My son's Scion had a bad head gasket. The book said 9.4 hours... took me 25 hours. The factory service manual and youtube video were a necessity.
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I can empathize. I just started on removing the head from a 2002 jeep 3.7l v6. I guess i had a coolant coolant leak and i let it overheat so my fault, it apparently dropped a valve seat. I guess I was used to letting the old cast iron v8's overheat occasionally without consequence. Not a good ideas with aluminum heads it would seem. I'll have to replace the head and the gasket. It's not quite the same as the old cars :-) Good luck.
Bob
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6sally6 wrote:
Blue Devil head gasket sealer in a bottle.....is your friend. I used it on my daughters Saturn and it worked for over a year and several thousand miles. Costs about 50.00 bucks and guaranteed to work.
Im a day to late. I have that Pile all ripped apart...
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Got it all ripped apart and heads reserviced and it runs perfect. Took about 20 hours. Sold the Van on Saturday and happy to be done with it.
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Way to go. Sounds like mission accomplished.
Was the pile of left over parts very big?
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Bolted to Floor wrote:
Way to go. Sounds like mission accomplished.
Was the pile of left over parts very big?
LOL! I had one 2 inch 15MM bolt. For the life of me couldn't figure where it went. thrippled check the Alternantor and Motor mounts and everything was in its correct place. So that had me stumped.
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Steve69 wrote:
Bolted to Floor wrote:
Way to go. Sounds like mission accomplished.
Was the pile of left over parts very big?LOL! I had one 2 inch 15MM bolt. For the life of me couldn't figure where it went. thrippled check the Alternantor and Motor mounts and everything was in its correct place. So that had me stumped.
ALWAYS something is left over.
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So was the VW rabbit inside the engine or is that what the van looked like after you put it back together?
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MachTJ wrote:
So was the VW rabbit inside the engine or is that what the van looked like after you put it back together?
I dont know where that pic came from...LOL
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How do you keep those pistons so clean?
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jkordzi wrote:
How do you keep those pistons so clean?
Antifreeze!
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Heads are torqued to 44 then you have to do another 90 degree torque Why wouldn't they just have the proper tourqe and be done with it?
Most Aluminum head engines use different kind of head bolt (the stretch kind) they are softer material than regular head bolts and will not torque up to say 65 lbs, will keep stretching as you tighten. They are designed to stretch as aluminum heads warm up and keep the same clamp torque on heads cold or hot...
Howard
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Brents65 wrote:
jkordzi wrote:
How do you keep those pistons so clean?
Antifreeze!
Antifreeze for sure on the Left Cylinder #1. The valves and the piston were really clean so I figured thats where the head gasket must of blown. The Head gasket was cracked near there too.
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hmartin025 wrote:
Heads are torqued to 44 then you have to do another 90 degree torque Why wouldn't they just have the proper tourqe and be done with it?
Most Aluminum head engines use different kind of head bolt (the stretch kind) they are softer material than regular head bolts and will not torque up to say 65 lbs, will keep stretching as you tighten. They are designed to stretch as aluminum heads warm up and keep the same clamp torque on heads cold or hot...
Howard
Thanks for explaining!
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