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6/20/2013 11:48 PM  #1


Question/ idea for 65 and other spindle arms

I was courious I just thought to my self the problem with rack and pinions in are cars is travel and in later 67 and so on they need even more than 65. Well what if some one made an adaptor to make the arm shorter so in return would mean less travel would be needed to get to stock lock position correct? Well I was thinking maybe a similar tie rod adaptor to this.

 

6/20/2013 11:49 PM  #2


Re: Question/ idea for 65 and other spindle arms

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6/20/2013 11:51 PM  #3


Re: Question/ idea for 65 and other spindle arms

Would doing a similar longer adaptor that brought the tie rod closer to the center fix this. True in return you'd have to bring forward the rack a substantial amount but hey

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6/21/2013 6:26 AM  #4


Re: Question/ idea for 65 and other spindle arms

I don't think the oil pan would allow the rack to come forward would it?
I haven't done a rack conversion in a number of years, but my memory says it won't move forward much.

 

6/21/2013 6:45 AM  #5


Re: Question/ idea for 65 and other spindle arms

I like that!! solves a lot of problems. It makes it possible for someone to get it right  without cutting and welding the arm. A lot of folks don't like the cut a weld approach, bit I have done several with no problems so far.

 

6/21/2013 8:33 AM  #6


Re: Question/ idea for 65 and other spindle arms

I had one of those on my car before I did the r&p.  It is a bump steer kit.  Relatively easy to install.  HOwever, it did nothing for my bump steer.


Original owner - 351w,T-5, 4whl disks, power R&P
 

6/21/2013 9:11 AM  #7


Re: Question/ idea for 65 and other spindle arms

I don't really care for this other approach but hey whatcha gonna do. I know lots of hot rodders will heat and bend the arm to bring them in or out for they're app not ideal though. Me I liked the similar bump steer idea. It just this I seen a forum discussion about using gm rack but then taking it and enlongating the window chamber so the stops are more to where the stops end and this was don't on both galaxies and a 65 falcon. I like that idea the best. Another thing I think would help out when doing a swap I saw when I went to the auto Rama car show in slc Utah about a year ago, he had a 67 fast back that was finished with this and a project 64 1/2  she had modified her center link so it would bolt on to the rack and pinion this way you can see if the rack functions and pivots correctly. I personally like this because other kits aren't direct bolt ins and they either are pushed back or forward which I don't get cause that will affect geometry and give you bump steer. 

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6/21/2013 9:16 AM  #8


Re: Question/ idea for 65 and other spindle arms

Another thing courious about seance I am younger than probably a lot of the builders and hobbiest on her but was they're a bunch wrong with the cable steering shaft they put on pintos and granada a and that? There's some hot rodders that again use these. Was wrong with the earlier granadas steering I know some were made with the rack and pinion in like 75ish I'm suprised they don't after market that if it didn't leak then. Ideally that would be an option to except finding one but it would be very close in turn radius.

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6/21/2013 9:57 AM  #9


Re: Question/ idea for 65 and other spindle arms

I know when the MII racks came out, some bozo put a cable on an early Mustang so he could mount one of those racks in a rear-steer configuration.  Even the magazine that published the picture said it was a joke.  I do not believe ANY car ever came with that as original equipment.

As for those bumpsteer clamp gizmos, those have been around long before Mustang R&P existed.  I suppose it will work to quicken the steering, but it only effectively lengthens the tie rod radius length by a slight amount.  It does put the tie rod in a more horizontal alignment on cars that have been lowered.  I have never tried one because I did not like the fact that they were bolting it to the original tapered tie rod hole in the spindle using a straight shank bolt.  For what they are charging for the kit, it should have a bolt with a taper that matches the hole in the tie rod.  The way it is, with slots on that u-shaped clamp, and a straight bolt going through a tapered hole, it looks like to me there would be a possibility they could shift around a bit.  Just my opinion.  Like I said, they have been around forever, and I guess if people had problems with them they would go away.  The problem is that most people are not tuned in enough to KNOW they are having a problem or not.


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6/21/2013 4:19 PM  #10


Re: Question/ idea for 65 and other spindle arms

I have heated and bent, cut and welded, made blocks to offset and cut and weld and have never had a failure of a steering arm. The loads are only high if you wreck, then so what. I have the most bended car, but the steering arm is straight!!! I have bent and welded several on my race car and yes I have had an incident or two which required a reset of the tow in, but never a failure of a bent or welded steering arm. I took out 8 guard rail posts once at Mid-Ohio with the left front and still had good tow in on the car which had a cut and welded steering arm. The whole exercise is only worth it if you get the geometry right! An adapter like this bolt on thing will allow better geometry for racks that are located due to other restrictions. I can see an adapter like these of various designs to put the tie rod in just the right place. I would run a drill through the tapered hole to make it straight so the adapter was rigid. What we really need is a program to layout the whole front end and get the geometry right based on the rack position and travel relative to the spindle used.

 

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