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So, we are preparing to replace the 289 with a newly built 347 in our 66 coupe.
The current setup with the 289 is a 1990 T5 transmission, with Daze hydraulic master/slave using the T5 bellhousing and fork, and a 28 oz 157 tooth flywheel. It has a fox 10.5" clutch with 8mm pressure plate bolts and alignment pins.
The 347 came with a 157 tooth flywheel that is drilled for an early 289/302 clutch, with 5/16 pressure plate bolts. So the bolt pattern is wrong for a fox 5.0 10.5" clutch.
I'd rather not swap the flywheel out unless I have to, because the 347 rotating assembly was spin balanced with it as a whole assembly.
I know I can get a 10" diaphragm clutch that will fit this flywheel. They make them to replace the old 3 finger clutches for 289/302 flywheels.
My question is: does anybody have any experience with this? Will the 10" diaphragm clutch and throwout bearing work with my t5 bellhousing/fork? Any concerns about pre-load on the throwout for the hydraulic clutch?
Help is very appreciated.
Thanks
Bob
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If you use the balanced flywheel that matches the engine, this is what you will need to do.
Use the T-5 release arm and throwout bearing for the T-5 bellhousing. Those parts don't care what the clutch diameter is, as long as it is a diaphragm type pressure plate. You MUST use the T5 throwout bearing as you have been doing.
The starter for a late model flywheel, typically 50 ounce balance, would use a starter from an AUTOMATIC transmission, but it depends on what year it is. Compare the ring gears on the flywheels as to the distance the ring gear is from the face of the flywheel. If they are the same, you can use your old manual trans starter. If they are different, you will need a starter from an automatic. After year XX??, Ford changed to using the same starter on auto and manual. All it took was to reposition the ring gear on manual flywheels.
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Here is a combo that I know works because I currently have this on my 66 coupe with a 289 so here goes. 92 / 5.0 bell housing, stock clutch set from Modern Drive Line p/n MD-07-14C, flywheel cast, 28 oz.,157 tooth Modern Driveline p/n MD-Cs157-28, T5 block plate, starter 85 Mustang. Hope this helps.
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Thanks Steve - I hadn't thought about the starter. We have a PMGR mini-starter we're using now. I thought all 157 tooth flywheels use the same starter with the t5 bellhousing? Is that incorrect?
So, set aside the throwout bearing that would come with the 10" clutch and use the throwout bearing from the 10.5" clutch? That's because the bearing that comes with the 10" clutch doesn't work with the t5 release arm/fork?
Sorry if I'm being redundant. I'm trying not to make any mistakes, takes time to order things and find out they are wrong, and the car is without a motor at the moment :-(
Thanks,
Bob
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10" will/should hold up fine in a regular street driven environment. IF you have big, fat, sticky,17" wheels... that will stress it butt...the whole T-5 will be stressed not just the clutch.
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Billy - thanks. So Modern Driveline Web site doesn't appear to list part numbers. That "stock clutch" is a 10"? And you're using that with the throwout bearing that came with it, with T5 clutch fork? That cast flywheel is the "long pattern" flywheel?
Thanks,
Bob
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A competent machine shop can match the balance of the flywheel. I would just get a new flywheel. This would allow you to run the King Cobra clutch, which is a very good, yet very cheap clutch setup. You also know that Fox Mustang stuff all works instead of having to remember what you bought down the road if you have to replace anything. There are always several ways to tackle a problem like this, but I tend to think that the one that uses the most factory parts and allows for the cheapest replacement parts is the best course.
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rbtconsultants wrote:
Billy - thanks. So Modern Driveline Web site doesn't appear to list part numbers. That "stock clutch" is a 10"? And you're using that with the throwout bearing that came with it, with T5 clutch fork? That cast flywheel is the "long pattern" flywheel?
Thanks,
Bob
Yes it is a 10" clutch and the T5 throw out bearing. Not sure what you mean by "long pattern" flywheel. It is a stock flywheel for a 289.
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Thanks for thoughts. I was able to confirm with the vendor that the flywheel that we got with the 347 was not drilled as part of rotating assembly balancing, so I can replace it with the flywheel we had on the 289 and use the fox 10.5" clutch. So that's what we are going to do.
Thanks,
Bob
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You MUST use the T5 release bearing with the T5 bell and release arm.
The starter engagement depth is different, but both will bolt up. The later model starters used with the T5 are the same nose depth as the early automatic. I think the early manual starters were shorter nose, but I could have that backwards.
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MS wrote:
You MUST use the T5 release bearing with the T5 bell and release arm.
The starter engagement depth is different, but both will bolt up. The later model starters used with the T5 are the same nose depth as the early automatic. I think the early manual starters were shorter nose, but I could have that backwards.
No, MS you got it right ... I found this out when I installed the T5. The shorter nose on the 'manual' starter would just slightly engage the flywheel.
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