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5/09/2017 4:42 PM  #1


A tale of two Cobras... This is hard for me to believe.

There's a local fella, a car shop owner I know that currently has not one, but two of the first 50, hand-built BOSS 429's (not Cobras), built that year. He has a client that is putting together a collection of about 30 cars, and is looking for this shop owner's direction. This one was last acquired for $205,000. But nothing about this shocks me so far; it's a really nice car. Check it...





What shocks me, is the second Boss 429 in his shop. This holy hell of a project was acquired, as is, for $215,000, it is said, due to it's very low production number. This was too interesting not to share with y'all.


The local shop is up to the task. He does incredible restorations when someone can afford his time! He said the expert in Boss 429's he found in Indiana claims there are over 800 details from the firewall forward that he needs to attend to in order for it to be a properly restored BOSS, (not Cobra)! I haven't got the patience...

Lance

Last edited by Lance (5/17/2017 3:39 PM)

 

5/09/2017 7:41 PM  #2


Re: A tale of two Cobras... This is hard for me to believe.

I see Boss 429.  Where is a Cobra?


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

5/10/2017 4:19 AM  #3


Re: A tale of two Cobras... This is hard for me to believe.

And what appears to be a C3 Corvette from the '68-'73 production range.  Let's get a pic of that.  Seeing a Boss 429 in that condition just makes me want to take a bat to the head of whoever previously owned it as it looks like its been sitting in a field for three decades. 

 

5/11/2017 12:02 AM  #4


Re: A tale of two Cobras... This is hard for me to believe.

It's somebody's patriotic DUTY to restore that thing!

Last edited by Muzz 66 (5/11/2017 12:03 AM)


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5/11/2017 4:30 AM  #5


Re: A tale of two Cobras... This is hard for me to believe.

Agreed, which is why allowing it to fall into such a state is treason. 

 

5/11/2017 7:31 AM  #6


Re: A tale of two Cobras... This is hard for me to believe.

This is why you don't get into these things for the money.  There are some real head scratchers.  What I don't get is at what point does an "original" car stop being original b/c so much of the car has had to be replaced.  That second car will be 2/3 replacement components.  Will that still qualify as original?

 

5/11/2017 9:04 AM  #7


Re: A tale of two Cobras... This is hard for me to believe.

There are levels of original.  A "survivor" is a car with original paint, interior, etc., as it left the factory.  Then there are cars where just things that wore out were replaced (tires, bushings, shocks, tune up parts, etc., and even interior stuff, etc.).  After that its about original sheetmetal or 90% original sheetmetal, etc.  Beyond that its pretty much just a class of restoration or partial restoration.  A first rate restoration is one done with as many original, NOS, or OEM parts as possible.  Then it goes down from there. 

 

5/11/2017 11:44 AM  #8


Re: A tale of two Cobras... This is hard for me to believe.

Considering the prices the Boss 429's are bringing, is there a registry for those cars to guard against counterfeiting?

I Google answered my own question: yes there is a registry. They are going to publish it in book form soon.

Last edited by Hornman (5/11/2017 11:47 AM)

 

5/11/2017 3:33 PM  #9


Re: A tale of two Cobras... This is hard for me to believe.

Often those books actually make it easier to counterfit the cars though.  Consider that if you wanted to buy one of those cars you would likely buy and read the book so you would know what to look for.  If a forger read the same book he is in prime position to fool you because the car would meet all of your expectations.  It isn't like they can list who every car ever built belongs to, and even if they could it would be out of date as soon as it was printed.  There are always cars that were thought destroyed that someone manages to bring back (bought from a junkyard, rebodied, acquired a title to an untitled car, etc).  Unfortunately its always some amount of a crap shoot buying cars this rare an valuable.  The money they bring also brings unscrupulous people who don't care about lying, forging, etc. if they can make big money. 

 

5/11/2017 7:38 PM  #10


Re: A tale of two Cobras... This is hard for me to believe.

Wish I had the Boss 429 in my garage.

 

5/11/2017 8:20 PM  #11


Re: A tale of two Cobras... This is hard for me to believe.

Where is the cobra?


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

5/12/2017 4:52 AM  #12


Re: A tale of two Cobras... This is hard for me to believe.

The Boss 429 is an interesting piece of history, but I'd much rather have a GT500, '68.5 428CJ, or something else that was a real runner.  The Boss 429 wasn't built to be a performer; it was built to homologate the 429 engine for NASCAR racing.  Ford raced the Torino in NASCAR, but knew they would never sell 500 429 powered Torinos a year to meet homologation standards.  However, Ford found a loophole; there was nothing saying the 500 engines had to be installed in the 500 chassis used to homologate both the engine and chassis.  So Ford decided to build at least 500 examples a year of the the engine in its hottest performing car, the Mustang, knowing that selling those would be at least possible if not easy.  Ford's goal with the Boss 429 wasn't to break any records, or take on all comers on the street; it was to use the engine to take on the 426 Hemi powered cars of Dodge and Plymouth in NASCAR.  Unfortunately that didn't work out either, as Chrysler came out with the Superbird/Daytona bodystyle the same year.  Clean aerodynamics, massive downforce, and a good engine conspired to make Richard Petty and his cohorts dominant in the series for the next two years until NASCAR outlawed the cars.

The Boss 429 wasn't much of a runner in stock form.  It wasn't tuned to be, and Ford didn't want the lawsuits from a bunch of people getting killed in its products.  If you knew what to do to the engine you could certainly fix that, but today I don't see anyone modifying a Boss 429 because they are simply too valuable.  So, to me, if I'm going to have that kind of money tied up in a car its going to be a champion instead of a chapter in a history book on NASCAR racing.  Neat car, and it looks amazing with that massive engine shoehorned in there, but I'll pass. 

 

5/12/2017 7:30 AM  #13


Re: A tale of two Cobras... This is hard for me to believe.

Ya, but show me a cooler, better looking engine

I'm still waiting to see the Cobras.


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

5/12/2017 3:44 PM  #14


Re: A tale of two Cobras... This is hard for me to believe.

Oh, that's pretty easy:

 

5/12/2017 7:13 PM  #15


Re: A tale of two Cobras... This is hard for me to believe.

TKOPerformance wrote:

Oh, that's pretty easy:

NOW yee talk'in!!!!!!! (My pants are getting tight!!)
6sal6


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5/12/2017 7:15 PM  #16


Re: A tale of two Cobras... This is hard for me to believe.

The 429 was also called the "shotgun engine" right?!
6sal6


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5/12/2017 8:06 PM  #17


Re: A tale of two Cobras... This is hard for me to believe.

Met a guy back in the mid 80's when I was in high school that had a 427 SOHC "Cammer" engine on a stand in his living room and was asking 10k back then, I had no clue what it was back then but it looked cool!
 

 

5/12/2017 9:35 PM  #18


Re: A tale of two Cobras... This is hard for me to believe.

TKOPerformance wrote:

Oh, that's pretty easy:

Better engine, more valuable and sought after... Yes.

Cooler, better looking... Nope, still second place
 


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

5/12/2017 10:20 PM  #19


Re: A tale of two Cobras... This is hard for me to believe.

O.K., I will ask the question no one else will:

Lance,
What made you think a Boss 429 Mustang was called a Cobra? There is nothing on the Boss 429 that says Cobra, but there are a number of places with Boss 429 logos. Was it the resto shop owner that called those cars Cobras?

 

5/13/2017 5:30 AM  #20


Re: A tale of two Cobras... This is hard for me to believe.

rpm wrote:

TKOPerformance wrote:

Oh, that's pretty easy:

Better engine, more valuable and sought after... Yes.

Cooler, better looking... Nope, still second place
 

Opinions will vary, even amongst experts. 

 

5/13/2017 10:37 AM  #21


Re: A tale of two Cobras... This is hard for me to believe.

TKOPerformance wrote:

rpm wrote:

TKOPerformance wrote:

Oh, that's pretty easy:

Better engine, more valuable and sought after... Yes.

Cooler, better looking... Nope, still second place
 

Opinions will vary, even amongst experts. 

Let me know when you run across one of those experts
 


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

5/13/2017 12:43 PM  #22


Re: A tale of two Cobras... This is hard for me to believe.

I think they're all dead.  Shelby was the last one, God rest.

 

5/13/2017 6:38 PM  #23


Re: A tale of two Cobras... This is hard for me to believe.

NASCAR's David Pearson would qualify as an "expert" on big block Ford stuff.
I think he ran a 429(if he ran one.....he won with it!!!)
6s6


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5/13/2017 10:51 PM  #24


Re: A tale of two Cobras... This is hard for me to believe.

Lance wrote:

There's a local fella, a car shop owner I know that currently has not one, but two of the first 50, hand-built Cobras built that year.

What shocks me, is the second Cobra in his shop.

AC/Shelby Cobra, Torino Cobra or SVT Cobra? I don't see any of those.
 

 

5/14/2017 3:15 PM  #25


Re: A tale of two Cobras... This is hard for me to believe.

6sally6 wrote:

NASCAR's David Pearson would qualify as an "expert" on big block Ford stuff.
I think he ran a 429(if he ran one.....he won with it!!!)
6s6

Oh you could win with the the Boss 429, just not off the showroom floor.  The architecture was great.  Ford just backpedaled the execution, and they only got to try it for two years before the Feds neutered everything.  I knew a guy in college who had one that he bought for next to nothing during the gas crunch in the '70s.  He said stock it would barely turn a 14 second ET (not 14 flat, like 14.99).  The cam was all wrong for the heads, it had a rev limiter that stopped you from taking advantage of the range in which it could breathe, etc.  He hooked up with some guys from Holman and Moody I think who clued him in on how to make it run, and properly modified it was a dragstrip killer.  But you couldn't do that stuff today, it would devalue the car too much, there's too few left, etc. 

Last edited by TKOPerformance (5/14/2017 7:12 PM)

 

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