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The 7 1/4 inch rear in my ‘66 has finally worried me to the point that I have to replace it. There is so much play in it that the noticeable clunk it gives going from reverse to first makes me wonder if the next one will be the last. I just acquired an 8 inch, 4 lug Maverick rear that is in great shape. It looks twice as stout as the poor old factory unit it is replacing. The factory tag on the Mav unit says 2.79. The current ratio number in the car now is 3.20. I felt the 250 I6, AOD, and 3.20’s were about a good combination of accelleration and freeway RPM’s. Should I plan on changing gears to the 3.20 to 3.50 range? I think I probably should but wanted to run it by you experienced folks for a re-think.
The reason I needed 4 lug axles is I dont feel like buying new wheels and tires yet, along with a front brake change and the modification cascade that will cause. All that will come later to accommodate the 5.0 I have planned for it.
The AOD has a 2:40 1st and a 0.67 4th I believe. I DON’T want to change gears if I don’t really have to. Rear end rebuilding is something I’ve never done before.
Thanks.
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The 3rd member is pretty darn easy to pull if you do not like the gear. Maybe get it in and see what you think, I am with you though, the higher gear in the Mav rear end might not work well.
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Before you get into all of the rear end changeout you may get lucky by simply taking out some pinion backlash that may be causing your noise. Or maybe a worn U-joint needs replacing.
Best
Al
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According to my homebrew engine speed calculator your 250 will be turning 1760 rpm at 70 mph with the 2.79 rear gear. The AOD gears are the same as the C4 except for the .67 OD. I would say give it a try and see how it behaves at highway speed. If you are in hilly country it might want to kick down a bit more than you like but maybe not since that 250 should have pretty good low-end torque.
I have and AOD with 3.55 rear gears and it seems just about perfect to me. It's turning 2150 at a GPS indicated 70. A 3.25 would probably be about perfect for your present setup but I wouldn't go through the trouble and expense of a gear change until I had the rest of the car (5.0 engine) the way I wanted it.
BB
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Since yours is an automatic, this won't really apply, but I think worth mentioning. On my 68 with 200 and three speed, I changed out the original rear end to an 8" having 3.0 gears. I think the originals were 3.25, but might have been 3.40:1 ratio. The car immediately started heavy clutch chatter upon takeoff. Nothing else was changed.
All that said, I think your car will be happier with the higher ratio like it had originally. But, I would certainly try it with the 2.79 and see how it acts. If your territory is not hilly, it probably will be fine. And if you don't like it, it is easy enough to change out. If you do live in a hilly area, I would consider a 3.50:1 ratio to perk things up a bit.
I think you will need to change the driveshaft. I did on the 68. The yoke on the 7.5 was a lot smaller than the 8".
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I believe the Fox Mustangs came from the factory with a 5.0, T5 with .68 OD, and a 2.72 rear gear.
BB
Last edited by Bullet Bob (12/13/2017 7:57 PM)
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I purdy much agree with BB, except. Go ahead and have all yore running gear upgraded, rear end & gears, brakes, wheels & tires, steering & such. Then when all that is ready, then install yore 5.0 with a cam that will make 6s6 grin.
Tubo
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Lots of factory combos with low rear gears and OD, BUT this wasn't done because it was best for performance; it was done because they needed to meet CAFE standards. This is why the 5.0 cars typically had 2.73 gears, BUT they used a tall first gear in the stick cars, and more aggressive ECU tuning in the automatics to try and give them off the line performance coupled with decent highway fuel economy.
Tire size also play a role in this conversation. With factory sized tires I would not go over a 3.50 rear gear. If you've gone to 17s and tires with a reasonable sidewall that are taller than stock I would go to 3.73s. That's the combo I run in my '89 GT. I have 3.50s in my '67 (T5 swap) and that's also a good combo, though if I ever change the rear I'll also change those to 3.73s. I like that combo. Great off the line acceleration, reasonable highway RPM.
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My 89 Lincoln MKVII had a 5.0 with 8.8" traction lock rear end and 3.27:1 ratio from the factory. My 90 Mustang convertible had same setup but 2.92 rear gear. What a waste!
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Appreciation all around for the replies. I'm just going to clean it up, clean it out, paint it, lube it, put new bearings on the axles, install it and see how she does. I'll deal with a gear change later if I need to. I feel safer already just knowing I have it to go in. That story MS told about that poor coupe that got destroyed on the freeway after its 6 cyl rear locked up lingers in my mind like some of my father's stories and advice he gave me over the years!
- Not too much hilly terrain around here. Pretty much flatlands, vineyards and orchards although I can reach the Sierra foothills in about 30 minutes.
- My '92 LX has a T-5 and a Z code rear which is a 3.08 traction lock.
- Driveshaft mod/change is definitely happening since I neglected to shorten it waaaaay back when I installed the AOD. It's definitely too long now coupled with needing a different u joint.
- As for BB's calculations, if she lags on the freeway I'll just go 75-85 like everyone else does around here...70 mph just gets you blocking traffic.
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I disagree with TKO on the 373 gears. I had 373's with a T5 and was over revving the engine as soon as I let out the clutch in 1st gear. !st gear was useless except to lay down 2 black strips of rubber without even trying. Couldn't cruise at 70 either (rpm's were too high). I am now running 3.25's and cruise at 70 mph at 2100 rpm.
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I'm guessing you had a stock Fox body V8 T5, not one with the Z-spec ratios. Yeah, for that it is a bit too high, because first gear is 3.35:1. The Z-spec gear ratios were designed to pair better with a standard performance rear gear ratio. A lot of guys swapped gears as one of their first mods with the Fox cars when they were new. Initially it was ignorance about what could be done to get more power out of the engine, since EFI was considered voodoo in the beginning. But, this meant shifting into 2nd way too soon. The Z-spec came out claiming increased strength and better ratios. The strength part of that is BS, and is really only because the first gear ratio is lower than stock (2.95 vs. 3.35), and has to do with how they determine transmission strength (I'll spare you that treatise in stupidity here).
What you need to look at is overall 1st gear ratio (1st gear in the trans x rear end ratio). With a stock T5 you end up with a 12.5:1 ratio, which is too much for an engine with only a 6,250 rev limiter. Go to the Z-spec and that ratio improves to 11:1. For a smaller engine that's a good overall ratio in my experience. If you had a 351 or a stroker with more low end grunt a 3.55 would be a better choice, because the goal is acceleration, not turning the right pedal into a tire spin pedal instead of an accelerator.
But, some of this stuff is subjective too. Personally, I like close ratios in small block cars that can wind. In a big block car with absurd power its ridiculous (my uncle had a '67 Vette with an L88 427 and an M22 where you could just start in 2nd and shift into 4th and call it a day).
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I have an AOD wil 4.11s. Your car would probably be more happy with a 3.25 - 3.55 gear.
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