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3/15/2018 6:57 PM  #1


C-4 Transmission Pan Leak

I've had a transmission leak for a while and it is driving me nuts! I've tried both rubber and cork gaskets with the same results. It is definitely the gasket area because I can see it seeping out primarily at the rear of the pan, mostly on the right side. A new cast aluminum pan would be a bit pricey for me right now. I've read that some guys recommend trying "Right Stuff" RTV without a gasket. Any suggestions would be much appreciated. My wife is about to banish my Mustang from the garage.   

 

3/15/2018 9:32 PM  #2


Re: C-4 Transmission Pan Leak

Check for leakage at the shifter/kickdown area, your seals may be leaking there. (Been there, fixed that!)

ETA: I use the black RTV on the pan gasket without a problem.

Last edited by 351MooseStang (3/15/2018 9:33 PM)

 

3/16/2018 6:31 AM  #3


Re: C-4 Transmission Pan Leak

The original C4 in our 66 was doing that...appeared to be a pan gasket leak but no way to cure it.  Finally cleaned it and checked the shifter shaft seal real close and that was the culprit.  ATF was traveling along the rail until if found a low spot to drip off.  Ended up going to the AOD before fixing the C4.

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3/16/2018 3:55 PM  #4


Re: C-4 Transmission Pan Leak

I had the same problem. Changed gaskets 3 times and a new steel pan.  The culprit was the shifter shaft seal. Haven't had a leak in 3 yrs and I drove the C4 all the way to Florida. Still no leak!

 

3/16/2018 4:24 PM  #5


Re: C-4 Transmission Pan Leak

OK, I suspect you may be right about the shifter seals. That is new territory for me so I'm not sure that I should tackle it on my own - but if it is not overly onerous I may decide to. Just on spec I called a local tranny shop and was quoted $225 to replace the seals and, of course, the pan gasket and filter. Sounds high to me. Any thoughts on that? Thanks for any help. 

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3/16/2018 11:13 PM  #6


Re: C-4 Transmission Pan Leak

Seems to me that you will have to remove the filter and valve body to get to the shift shaft nut so you can pull the shaft out of the case in order to replace the seal. $225 for the seal replacement, filter and pan gasket doesn't seem too high to me. And if it leaks - you have their warranty to do it again, if need be. 


68 coupe - 351W, 4R70W, 9" 3.25 -- 65 convertible - 289 4v, C4, 8" 3.00
 

3/17/2018 1:23 AM  #7


Re: C-4 Transmission Pan Leak

Yup... pan and valve body have to come out, then you can pull the kickdown lever out (from the inside) and then remove the shift lever nut to pull it out (from the outside). If you do it yourself, usual things to look out for on disassembly are the converter drainback valve (under a tab on the filter) and a small basket filter in a large channel at the front of the case (usually stays in place). Things to look out for on reassembly are the location of where the kickdown lever is in relation to the kickdown valve on the valve body and the same for the pin on the shifter lever and the notch in the shifting valve in the valve body.

I would say that $225.00 is a fair price for the job if you want someone to solve the problem for you. It's not a hard job to do, just pay attention to details and if you run in to problems you can't get answered here then ask the guys at the Ford Transmission Forum.

 

4/11/2018 6:26 PM  #8


Re: C-4 Transmission Pan Leak

OK, this is becoming REALLY frustrating. The local tranny shop was tied up so I've been trying to get the leak isolated. I wrapped a cloth around the shifter shaft area and another above the back of the pan. The cloths stayed dry but I could see the fluid seeping under the pan gasket at the rear of the pan. I ordered a new pan (some klutz may have over tightened the bolts on the old pan - probably me) and a Mahle cork gasket which I installed today and torqued the bolts to 14 ft-lb. All was well for a few hours and then once again I could see fluid seeping in the gasket area and some drops on the driveway.
Any ideas? Until I get this sorted out my wife has banished my toy from the garage. Help!  

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4/11/2018 7:08 PM  #9


Re: C-4 Transmission Pan Leak


67 Coupe, 5.0 EEC IV Fuel injected. T5, 3:70 rear
 

4/11/2018 7:15 PM  #10


Re: C-4 Transmission Pan Leak

How straight is your pan?

Pull it and take a straight edge to it.

Might have to take a hammer and dolly to it.

Where did the 14 foot pound spec come from?

 

4/11/2018 7:34 PM  #11


Re: C-4 Transmission Pan Leak

The pan is new and straight. My shop manual lists the torque limits for the pan at 12-16 ft-lb. I thought 14 was a good compromise. 

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4/11/2018 7:42 PM  #12


Re: C-4 Transmission Pan Leak

Hmm.

As weird as it may sound aerosol body or foot powder makes a bitchin leak detector.  If you clean the daylights out of the part, then spay on some white aerosol foot or body powder any wet spots will contrast against the dry white talc.  I chased a transmission leak for a couple months last year... Finally figured out the case was cracked.

 

 

4/11/2018 7:55 PM  #13


Re: C-4 Transmission Pan Leak

Well, I'm ready to try anything. Are the rubber gaskets better than the cork?

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4/11/2018 9:05 PM  #14


Re: C-4 Transmission Pan Leak

I have had good luck with the felt ones (the felt is rubberized somehow).  Not sure if the ATP brand one for the C4 is felt or rubber.

I have tried the Lube Locker brand ones in my GMC, a whole lot of money for a really marginal thin gasket.  nothing like some of the reusable OEM rubber molded steel lined gaskets used on newer fords.

 

4/12/2018 8:07 AM  #15


Re: C-4 Transmission Pan Leak

I've read all the replies and haven't seen the one that my '68 had. The filler tube has a O-ring where it goes into the transmission. Let her sit a couple months (Winter) and it would leak down enough to not even shift into Drive until a few seconds passed. I did the same pan gasket change twice and the second time I realized it was leaking down to the level of the pan. There was a pea sized piece of gravel where the tube goes into the pan that had distorted it enough so the o-ring wouldn't seal. If you ever head the heads off, you had to remove the filler tube brace and that's when I think it happened. Didn't show up right away, though. I think that O-ring finally got hard enough to no longer seal. New O-ring and it hasn't dripped a drop in over 6 years.

 

4/12/2018 11:32 AM  #16


Re: C-4 Transmission Pan Leak

Anything is possible so I will check it out. The leak seems to be at the rear of the pan but I suppose the fluid could navigate away from the filler tube. 

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4/12/2018 4:08 PM  #17


Re: C-4 Transmission Pan Leak

I prefer no gasket, replaced with ultra black RTV like newer cars use. Just don’t overdo it.  Let it dry before adding fluid.


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

4/12/2018 4:48 PM  #18


Re: C-4 Transmission Pan Leak

I had the same problem . Changed the gasket twice bought an aluminum pan with copper washers put in a Moroso $34 gasket no luck . Finally found out that the filler tube was the culprit . doubled the o rings and atv . done  it didn't leak any more . The rest of the comments are right oil and water seek the lowest point and then drips. VERY FRUSTRATING .

 

4/12/2018 6:07 PM  #19


Re: C-4 Transmission Pan Leak

OK, if I remember correctly, there is a brace that holds the filler tube in place. Once that is disconnected the tube can be pulled straight up. Is it as simple as that to remove it? Thanx 

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4/13/2018 9:35 PM  #20


Re: C-4 Transmission Pan Leak

Yes, just remove the bellhousing bolt that holds the dipstick tube bracket. Then pull the tube out.

Hint:  elevate the passenger side of the car to avoid the fluid draining out of the tranny when you remove the tube.


Money you enjoy wasting is NOT wasted money... unless your wife finds out.
 

4/14/2018 6:45 AM  #21


Re: C-4 Transmission Pan Leak

Thanks for the tip Steve. I'll get some O Rings today and give this a shot. Seems like the gasket thing is a matter of personal preference. I've heard some guys say that they will only use cork and have never had a leak. Then I've heard others say that the cork gaskets are crap and they will only use the rubber/composite gaskets. MS, whose advice has always been solid and worthy of heeding, sez he only uses Ultra Black RTV without a gasket. I guess it is a matter of "more than one way to skin a cat". 

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4/14/2018 9:19 PM  #22


Re: C-4 Transmission Pan Leak

riwall wrote:

Thanks for the tip Steve. I'll get some O Rings today and give this a shot. Seems like the gasket thing is a matter of personal preference. I've heard some guys say that they will only use cork and have never had a leak. Then I've heard others say that the cork gaskets are crap and they will only use the rubber/composite gaskets. MS, whose advice has always been solid and worthy of heeding, sez he only uses Ultra Black RTV without a gasket. I guess it is a matter of "more than one way to skin a cat". 

^^^^ What MS sez!   I'm a BIG believer in no gaskets/RTV instead!.  Just CLEAN the area REEEEEEL good with laquer thinner/acetone/Brakleen (I love that stuff!). Paint thinner WON'T work.
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4/15/2018 10:58 AM  #23


Re: C-4 Transmission Pan Leak

Yes, I'm an idiot! After 3 gaskets and a new transmission pan I checked the filler tube and it was wet. Looks like the fluid was seeping onto the rim of the pan and then moving to the rear before dripping off. Shoulda listened to ChrisH IA and mrputz1 earlier. I put in a new O Ring and so far so good. Oh well, if an O Ring can bring down the space shuttle I guess my ordeal was not such a biggie. Thanks to all for your help. 

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