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4/15/2018 5:06 PM  #26


Re: learning on carburator cfm

Sounds great! Its something to do with the little rod from the secondary accelerator pump to the throttle shaft cam. A slight lift there and it works fine. Lol. Thanks!

1toomanyprojects wrote:

Not sure about the blow-by? I was running a 4100 on my 67 with a mild 302 and an automatic 279? rear gears. Ran fine, no real performance to be expected especially at 7000 ft.
I built a 347, put in a t-5 manual and 4:11 rear with the Summit 600cfm vac secondaries. I have run the light spring on the secondaries and have been real happy with all aspects of the carb. Starting cold or hot has been flawless now for 2 years.
I do have an AFR gauge and dropped a couple jet sizes front and back for the elevation. I can hit the pedal one time and start it and walk away even with a snotty cam. Never slobbers. Light car and light secondary has worked pretty good  even with the manual. I have 10-11 inches idle vac and it has good street manners.
For $299 I would put that 8500vs on a 289 without hesitation. Read the reviews on it and the 600.

 

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4/15/2018 6:40 PM  #27


Re: learning on carburator cfm

This got me thinking.  For years I've just ascribed to the old adage that vacuum secondaries were for automatics and mechanical secondaries were for manuals.  So a bit of research turned up some interesting info.  Vacuum secondaries are best for most street applications due to their adaptability.  They also tend to be more forgiving with carburetor sizing, because if the engine only needs say 650cfm and you put a 750 on it the secondaries will simply not fully open, in effect only "using" 650cfm of the carbs available airflow. 

Mechanical secondaries hit sooner and harder, and in a performance application have advantages as a result.  They are harder to get dialed in though, and carb sizing is more important.  BUT, with low vacuum from a radical cam there's no guess whether or not the secondaries will work, or how well. 

In summation, in a heavy car (3,500lbs or more) with an automatic with a low stall speed and/or a stick with a numerically low rear gear (under 3.50) and an engine with less that 9.5: 1 compression & associated cam you are better off with vacuum secondaries.  In a light car with a high stall and/or high rear gear with a stick or auto with an engine with 10:1 or greater compression & a nasty cam you are better off with mechanical secondaries. 

Vacuum secondaries also tend to get better fuel economy, if anyone cares.  I mean, to me, mileage is one of those things to muse about, but if your primary bragging right is your car's fuel mileage it means your car sucks and you secretly hate it. 

 

4/16/2018 4:45 AM  #28


Re: learning on carburator cfm

6sally6 wrote:

"Al" keep in mind you will get MANY opinions of brands of carbs.
I'm in the Edelbrock camp because........they are so EZ to tune and rebuild! Get the tune up kit like Michael sez.
Vacuum secondaries (AVS) is what I have and I think would be your best carb.
Later on we can teach you how to make the seconderies "pop-open" like the mechanical sec.
Edelbrock carb ANDE the tuning kit..........hard to NOT get it tuned right!
6sal6 

well , i think i will go with edelbrock at the end because i hope will be easyer to tune .
Probably 1404  or 1801  
Also i got one performer intake here used , ready to buy  , and maybe could be a good set up.
I will be  hears open when you will teach me !  
I read about vacum secondaries and mechanical differences.
As i got 289 stock , manual t5  , personaly i think  will go with the easyer one 
the 1801 avs will be my choice
thanks !

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4/16/2018 7:25 AM  #29


Re: learning on carburator cfm

My son works at a machine shop and we just finished drilling and installing the secondary power valve and accelerator pump on a 600 Summit adding the squirters to the secondary booster etc. I have been curious as to what advantage the mechanicals would be as I felt I was dropping a little on my shifts as the secondary has to close and reopen with a slight delay as I let off. I like the throttle response with the annular boosters but they only produce that carb in a 750 which I feel is to big. All the castings are there to complete the needed circuits as they must use the same master castings for the body. Not sure how to post pics here?


67 Coupe Resto Mod 347 T5 MGW
 

4/16/2018 8:02 AM  #30


Re: learning on carburator cfm

TKOPerformance wrote:

... I mean, to me, mileage is one of those things to muse about, but if your primary bragging right is your car's fuel mileage it means your car sucks and you secretly hate it. 

I love this quote
 

 

4/16/2018 12:56 PM  #31


Re: learning on carburator cfm

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67 Coupe Resto Mod 347 T5 MGW
 

4/16/2018 1:00 PM  #32


Re: learning on carburator cfm

You have to enlarge it to see the mill Chuck drilling in from the top on the accelerator pump passage.


67 Coupe Resto Mod 347 T5 MGW
 

4/16/2018 3:46 PM  #33


Re: learning on carburator cfm

Nice photos, 1 too many. A beautiful red '67. Very nice.
Wish I could post pics. My '68 is just about the same color. I have black interior. I used to have slot aluminium wheels with Daytona sport 60s and 70s. I'm on Crown Vic wheels and hub caps. I like um OK.  Looks almost original. Still working on posting pictures.

1toomanyprojects wrote:

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4/16/2018 4:04 PM  #34


Re: learning on carburator cfm

This is so funny. It's just funny because it's not a secrete some people hate their cars. Ah haha Hate to be seen in their ugly cars. Hate driving their cars. Their car won't go, their car won't stop unless by a law man...It's so funny.
Lol

Michael H. wrote:

TKOPerformance wrote:

... I mean, to me, mileage is one of those things to muse about, but if your primary bragging right is your car's fuel mileage it means your car sucks and you secretly hate it. 

I love this quote
 

 

 

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