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7/22/2018 8:10 AM  #1


Efi fuel lines

I know it probably has been asked before, but it is kinda slow on here. Getting ready to put an efi tank in my 67 coupe. Have a Tanks inc tank with in tank fuel pump. Anybody know of a reason I cannot run JIC fittings with aluminum line for the fuel lines? I figure if JIC hydraulics will handle 2000 psi in a a hydraulic system it should handle 50 to 60 psi on fuel. Plan on mounting the line solid to the body up to the firewall and run flex lines from a bulkhead fitting to the fuel rail.
Any good suggestions on this is appreciated.

 


67 Coupe, 5.0 EEC IV Fuel injected. T5, 3:70 rear
 

7/22/2018 9:05 AM  #2


Re: Efi fuel lines

Sure it will handle the pressure but will it stand up to the additives in the stuff they call gas now days.  I used the nyion fuel line that they use on the newer cars now .


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7/22/2018 9:06 AM  #3


Re: Efi fuel lines

Sure it will handle the pressure but will it stand up to the additives in the stuff they call gas now days.  I used the nyion fuel line that they use on the newer cars now .


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7/22/2018 1:29 PM  #4


Re: Efi fuel lines

Sure, JIC fittings would work just fine and are used in fuel systems all the time.  Basically its just a 37 degree flare with a metal to metal seal.  JIC fittings are essentially identical to AN fittings, but are made to somewhat less precise tolerances, and this are typically less costly.  This tolerance difference is a difference between two different MIL specs, and I wouldn't by any means construe that to mean the JIC fittings are no well suited for anything automotive.  AN fittings are MIL spec'd for aeronautical use, and as such the tolerances are more extreme because if something fails 1,000 feet under water on a sub, or 35,000 feet above the earth at Mach 2 on an airplane things tend to go horribly, horribly wrong in a matter of nanoseconds.  We always used to say a part for a car cost X, the same part for a boat costs 2X, and the same part for an airplane cost 10X.  Regulations compliance much more than tolerance is the main reason why those boat and aircraft parts cost more. 
 

 

7/22/2018 3:43 PM  #5


Re: Efi fuel lines

It's how I did mine. Though I used cupra-nickel line.
I've heard that aluminum will crack like copper does.
Any flexible lines, use Teflon lined hose.

Last edited by 50vert (7/22/2018 3:54 PM)


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7/22/2018 4:36 PM  #6


Re: Efi fuel lines

Aluminum does work harden like copper.  Its that work hardening that causes cracks; the metal stops being malleable and fails.

However, the aluminum fuel line is very soft, I'm certain that its not a heat treated variety of aluminum, and in fact has likely been annealed to make it soft and easy to bend. 

In actual use I don't see the fuel lines bending and flexing enough to make work hardening an issue.  You would have to loosen and tighten the same fitting a lot before work hardening would become an issue. 

I'm currently running an aluminum line from the mechanical pump to the fuel filter.  Its only been on the car a short while, but so far so good.  I got sick to the total PITA of bending 3/8" steel line.  I made two previous lines from steel that I had to change due to my Borgeson steering conversion (pump was in the way), and when I installed my Edelbrock carb.  Once the lines were made there was no modifying them in any substantial way.  Getting the number of bends I needed in close proximity was extremely difficult, as is flaring tubing that big.  The aluminum line was a joy to work with in comparison.  Bent easily, was easily tweaked as needed on installation, and flared easily with standard tools.  Also, NO LEAKS.  The steel line it replaced would every once in a while dribble one or two drops of fuel at the connection to the pump.  I tried almost everything to remedy it to no avail (I think it was the flare being slightly wonky due to how much force is required to get the flare started on tubing that big).  The aluminum line does not have this issue.  I'm quite happy with it.  Of course like all new things I try I will keep a close eye on it, but I've put about 300 miles on the car since its installation and thus far its performed flawlessly. 

 

7/22/2018 5:21 PM  #7


Re: Efi fuel lines

Any successful use of aluminum lines I have seen, involved clamping the line every 18"-24".
Personally, I don't like the look of Adel clamps, so I chose steel lines and used similar attaching points as standard.


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7/22/2018 6:53 PM  #8


Re: Efi fuel lines

I figure I am only running less than 10' of line, 5 clamps should hold it pretty solid. I am not too worried about the additives in the gas, because if you run steel lines they would also be eaten up. The only thing I don't know about is the galvanic corrosion between aluminum line and the fittings. I may just run the steel lines and forget about it.
 


67 Coupe, 5.0 EEC IV Fuel injected. T5, 3:70 rear
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7/22/2018 7:06 PM  #9


Re: Efi fuel lines

Use stainless fittings; that's what I did.

As for clamps, you can simply make your own from sheet aluminum.  Aluminum on aluminum won't cause an issue, just as steel on steel doesn't.  Copying factory style clamps is tedious, but possible.  I made stainless copies of all the factory fuel line clamps on my '89 GT because I'm running stainless fuel lines.  I couldn't see running the factory clamps that looked like absolute hell, and even trying to blast and paint them seemed like a losing proposition.  It was quite the task, but I was able to make my own tooling fairly easily and duplicate holes, slots, cutouts, etc. with patience and some file and Dremel work.  Basically you just need a mandrel around which to wind or form the clamps, which can be steel rod, a bolt, etc. just a hair smaller than the tube (so it pinches the line and holds it firmly).  A small hand  operated metal shear makes cutting strips to form the clamps from easy.  I got mine from Northern Tool for like $150, and it has been maybe the most useful tool I've bought in the past ten years.  If you fabricate a lot of stuff you really should invest.  It cuts all manner of sheet metal, plate, and bar up to about 1/8" thick. 

Using aluminum would also be much easier, because its so much easier to work than stainless. 

 

7/22/2018 10:20 PM  #10


Re: Efi fuel lines

I installed Alum fuel line BEFORE the second MSBB(ever how long ago that was).
No Prob!!
I ran the line INSIDE a 3/8th's (I think) pneumatic air hose I had laying around. Really makes kink free bends EZ and....also gives protection from flying rocks and small animals!
Haven't seen any delitorious  effects from this gas-a-hole we use for fuel!
6s6 


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7/24/2018 5:14 PM  #11


Re: Efi fuel lines

I'm on to plan B. Have a 95 f150 been looking to turn in to a trailer. Tore it down the last couple of days. I am going to use the fuel rail to have the fuel ports in the back.(Thanks to BB for posting that a long time ago) Looking at the fuel lines, I think I can use them, they are all stainless with the PTFE flex hoses on the ends. I figure I can cut them the length I need and with a couple of compression fittings, splice them back together, I can have the filter fittings and all the disconnects I need.


67 Coupe, 5.0 EEC IV Fuel injected. T5, 3:70 rear
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7/25/2018 5:24 AM  #12


Re: Efi fuel lines

If using compression fittings make sure you use stainless ones meant for hydraulic assemblies.  The typical plumbing compression fittings sold at Home Depot, etc. will eventually leak because they are designed to hold water not fuel.  Fuel is considerably thinner than water and doesn't have the advantage of cohesion.  There are compression fittings sold at the auto parts stores, but those are not meant for stainless lines, so I would question their ability to work properly on something as hard as stainless.  Any shop that makes hydraulic hoses should have the right fittings.  A few dollars more, but infinitely more peace of mind. 

 

7/25/2018 4:20 PM  #13


Re: Efi fuel lines

I'd use an AN union with 37 degree flares instead of the compression fitting. Apart from that, it sounds like a great plan.
I like the idea of rear inlet/outlet rails.


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7/26/2018 6:28 AM  #14


Re: Efi fuel lines

We used Exploder rails on the Falcon project (left rear connections).  I thought they were going to be a PITA but they actually worked out very nice and easier than running the second fuel line to the front of the engine...as I did on the Heap.


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7/26/2018 8:39 PM  #15


Re: Efi fuel lines

This is what I like about this forum. This is a great article. I'm running efi hoses and the prebent line, I guess steel, from NPD. I haven't had any problems in almost 6 years. Should I be warned of anything wrong in the near future?

 

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