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When I turn on the headlights the brake lights come on over riding the tail lights, all lights work correctly until the headlights are on. Anyone ever come across this problem?
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Without the headlights on do the brake lights work normally?
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Yes they do.
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This is a complicated circuit to diagnose because the brake lights run through almost everything. Power goes to the brake light switch from the headlight switch, then through the t-signal switch and on to the bulbs. The same dual filament bulbs provide taillights, t-signals, and brake lights. The way it should work is that one filament is for taillights, the second for brake lights & turn signals. This way, when the taillights are on and you hit the brake the lights get brighter, likewise if you signal, plus the signal blinks, even with the brakes and taillights both on (then its doubly bright and blinking).
Trying to troubleshoot wiring via the web is kind of like trying to give you a haircut over the phone, so I'll do my best.
What's the history of the car? Did this just start, and if so was a change recently made? New wiring? Work where wiring had to be unplugged, etc?
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Check the grounds, most electrical issues in these old cars can be attributed to corroded ground wiring connections.
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The steering column wiring and the rear wiring harness have been replaced. I am leaning towards replacing the headlight switch but it seems there are two different kinds, one for build dates before 8/17/64 and after 11/16/64 mine was built in October 1964.
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Rudi wrote:
Check the grounds, most electrical issues in these old cars can be attributed to corroded ground wiring connections.
I agree. Grounds often go thru the body of the part to the sheet metal of the car. I have often sanded both sides to get a good ground. Metal to metal, with perhaps some dielectric grease for sealant. In any case always make grounds go metal to metal.
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Just drive during day light hours would solve it! Well..maybe not. What if it gets cloudy?!
Sounds like a goofy ground situation to me.
Welcome aboard BTW!!!
These things are "rolling adventures".....so enjoy the experience.
6sally6
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If the lights weren't working I'd suspect a ground, or in a newer car where things are switched via ground, but I don't think this is a grounding issue. The ground for the bulbs is the socket to the taillight housing to the body. If the ground was bad the lights wouldn't work. The lights come on via switched power, so something's switching power improperly, or power is crossing circuits it shouldn't.
It's also not the headlight switch. The headlight switch simply feeds power to the brake light switch, which then sends power to the bulbs through the t-signal switch. The brake light switch must be working correctly because with the headlights off the brake lights function normally (the switch is getting power and isn't stuck on). The only way the headlight switch can affect the brake light circuit would be for it not to be sending power to the brake light switch. We know it's doing that. Otherwise the brake lights and taillights operate off separate circuits. There's nothing in the headlight switch that could be crossed, etc. and make the brake lights come on, because the power for those lights is breakered by the brake light switch, and without that switch being closed (pressing the pedal) there's no way to turn them on.
Take out one of the taillight bulbs and test each terminal for power with the headlight switch off and on. My guess is what you will see is that you have power at both terminals with the headlights on. You should only have power on one terminal. The taillights turn on one filament; the brake and t-signals another. For some reason you are getting power to both filaments with the headlights on.
I'd check those taillight sockets closely, because the most likely cause would be that there's something bridging those two terminals or the wires leading to them, and that is the place where they are in closest proximity. When I replaced the taillight harness on my '67 I had to reuse the sockets. With the harness having been replaced I have to suspect that the last thing you did was what caused the problem, so unless everything worked correctly after the harness was installed and now all of the sudden doesn't; the issue lies with one of the harnesses that was replaced.
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