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10/19/2018 2:18 PM  #1


Been chasing annoying noise in vehicle

I've been chasing a noise that comes in while driving vehicle at 2800 to 3000 RPM.  It is a cyclical "Rump" , "Rump", "Rump", that is RPM related, not road speed induced.  It comes in at road speed I want to drive on road: 70 mph. Noise is same in 3rd gear and 2nd gear at that RPM.  It is at rate of about every second at that RPM.  Clutch the drivetrain, at 70 mph, and noise goes away.  '65 Fastback, 392W, 480 hp, FiTech EFI, top loader 4spd, 3:50, 9 inch rear.  I have made sure nothing is grounding out against the exhaust system, body or the drivetrain.  Any ideas where to look for elimination of it?


"when I drop something, it always goes to center of the car"
 

10/19/2018 8:03 PM  #2


Re: Been chasing annoying noise in vehicle

Sounds like mine at 74 mph. Been chasing it since 1993.
Been through different engines, transmissions, driveshafts, rear ends, wheels and brakes.

I think a 1,000 watt mega-stereo is the only answer.

Or, if you figure it out, please let me know!


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10/19/2018 8:35 PM  #3


Re: Been chasing annoying noise in vehicle

MS wrote:

Sounds like mine at 74 mph. Been chasing it since 1993.
Been through different engines, transmissions, driveshafts, rear ends, wheels and brakes.

I think a 1,000 watt mega-stereo is the only answer.

Or, if you figure it out, please let me know!

When I worked for Ford Mtr., in the mid eighties, we worked with a resonance roar that engineers hung a large tuneing weight on the tailshaft of the transmissions to cancel out the moan.  I don't know if it was all engines or specific ones, but there isn't a mounting boss on the Top Loaders to try that plus I don't know where to get one to try.  I guess I may just have to spin the motor up to 3400 rpm and hope I don't run into radar.
 


"when I drop something, it always goes to center of the car"
     Thread Starter
 

10/19/2018 8:39 PM  #4


Re: Been chasing annoying noise in vehicle

MS wrote:

Sounds like mine at 74 mph. Been chasing it since 1993.
Been through different engines, transmissions, driveshafts, rear ends, wheels and brakes.

I think a 1,000 watt mega-stereo is the only answer.

Or, if you figure it out, please let me know!

The transmissions that had the tuning weight on them had a boss on the bottom of the tail-shaft with holes in it to mount the weight.  With a low running vehicle, not so sure that would work.
 


"when I drop something, it always goes to center of the car"
     Thread Starter
 

10/19/2018 10:28 PM  #5


Re: Been chasing annoying noise in vehicle

I put one of those 8lb (I think) weights on my then FMX thinking it would help my similar noise/vibration deal without success. My 69 is lower than most, but I never had a clearance issue going over speed bumps or driveways with the weight installed.



Last edited by rpm (10/19/2018 10:30 PM)


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

10/22/2018 7:57 PM  #6


Re: Been chasing annoying noise in vehicle

MAN that's a good look'in Mustang!!^^^^^^^^^^
jus say'in
6s6


Get busy Liv'in or get busy Die'n....Host of the 2020 Bash at the Beach/The only Bash that got cancelled  )8
 

10/23/2018 3:56 PM  #7


Re: Been chasing annoying noise in vehicle

The problem with those tuning weights is that once you go away from the stock configuration you can't expect them to do anything.  They were tuned to very specific frequencies.  Once you swap gears, lower the car, even just change the wheel/tire setup you've gotten outside the bounds under which they were designed.  The 5.0s all had a chunk of metal hanging off the rear end for that purpose.  Over the years we took them off, put them on, all trying to "fix" harmonics or vibrations and it never worked because the cars were all modified.

MS is right IMO, but it can be done with as little as 500 watts

 

10/23/2018 5:39 PM  #8


Re: Been chasing annoying noise in vehicle

I had an 05 Mustang with a weight hung on each side of  the rear axel as well as on the mufflers. I took them off and did not notice any difference.
  Mechanical engineers - - - heaven help us!


Good work ain't cheap, Cheap work ain't good!   Simple Man
 

10/23/2018 7:00 PM  #9


Re: Been chasing annoying noise in vehicle

My understanding is that those weights, and the "dogbone" that all 8.8 equipped Fox and SN95 Mustangs had, were there to combat some kind of a harmonic caused by the resonate frequencies of the u-joints and the gears with which those cars came equipped (usually 2.73s).  I've read engineering documents from Ford that claimed the dogbone actually prevented premature u-joint failure due to this situation.  Consensus is that swapping to numerically higher gears effectively negates the need for the dogbone, because the resonate frequency of those gears and the u-joints no longer coincide at highway speeds. 

The real issue I see with them on the Fox and SN95 car is decades of street use, road salt, etc.  Every one I've seen the hardware is about ready to snap and the bushings are shot, meaning its not doing anything anymore anyway.  Based on that and the preceding I am opting to delete the dogbone on my '89 GT project.  I've stepped up to 3.73 gears when rebuilding the rear in that car as well. 

 

10/23/2018 8:22 PM  #10


Re: Been chasing annoying noise in vehicle

6sally6 wrote:

MAN that's a good look'in Mustang!!^^^^^^^^^^
jus say'in
6s6

I don't care what any of the guys say Mike, you do have good taste
 


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

10/23/2018 10:02 PM  #11


Re: Been chasing annoying noise in vehicle

rpm wrote:

6sally6 wrote:

MAN that's a good look'in Mustang!!^^^^^^^^^^
jus say'in
6s6

I don't care what any of the guys say Mike, you do have good taste
 

Yep....next to a 63 split-window.......69Mustang is my favorite body style!  (sorry!)
6s6
 

Last edited by 6sally6 (10/24/2018 10:15 PM)


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