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10/21/2018 9:15 AM  #1


Dumb Question about Thread Sizes

in 12x1.25 (metric) the same as 1/2-20 (inch)

I bought a set of wheels and the guy had a pair of 1 inch spacers he through in.  Which is great b/c it saves me buying 2 spacers instead of 4.  

He had used the spacers on his mustang.  The bolt pattern list 5x4.5 which is standard mustang 5 lug pattern.  But the threads are listed as 12x1.25.  I tested out the spacers and included lug nuts and they fit just fine.  Even tried the nuts on the studs directly on the wheel and they feel fine, no wiggle.  I looked it up and 12x1.25 metric converts to a thread 31/64-20.3 (inch) which is really close to 1/2"-20.  The weird thing is when I look up spacers for I see lots that are listed as 5x4.5 pattern w/ 12x1.25 thread studs.  

Is this a standard thing?  Is this a rounding issue?  

 

10/21/2018 10:47 AM  #2


Re: Dumb Question about Thread Sizes

Not a rounding thing.

As best as I can tell it is probably a cost thing.  Nearly every vehicle that rolls off an assembly line these days has all metric hardware, especially wheel lugs / studs.   It may be cheaper for the spacer manufacturer to use metric studs and nuts than standard, especially overseas.

 

10/21/2018 11:15 AM  #3


Re: Dumb Question about Thread Sizes

This is very interesting because i have to deal with it  every time i lose a nut.
The us definition of bolt size refers 1/2 - 20   as    1/2 inch  20 threads 
but here in europe  bolt size refers  12 mm x 1.25      as  12 x  pitch to pitch distance
The diameter is quite the same but i can't say nothing on threads .
could be very very close but not exactly the same thing.
If you make a measure from pitch to pitch from your 1/2 - 20  and change it in millimeter you should have something close to 1.25 as result  . if is like that you have win !
Tomorrow i can try to buy a 12 x 1.25 and try on my lug  . Maybe i got surprise  and fits 
ciao !

 

10/21/2018 11:29 AM  #4


Re: Dumb Question about Thread Sizes

Close, but no cigar. Get the correct lug nuts.


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

10/21/2018 12:09 PM  #5


Re: Dumb Question about Thread Sizes

I ordered a set of 4 with the correct bolt pattern and listed as 1/2-20 thread.  Idk, didn't want to risk it.  I'll just sell the 2 I got w/ the wheels.

Thanks.

     Thread Starter
 

10/21/2018 5:07 PM  #6


Re: Dumb Question about Thread Sizes

Alessandro wrote:

This is very interesting because i have to deal with it  every time i lose a nut.
The us definition of bolt size refers 1/2 - 20   as    1/2 inch  20 threads 
but here in europe  bolt size refers  12 mm x 1.25      as  12 x  pitch to pitch distance
The diameter is quite the same but i can't say nothing on threads .
could be very very close but not exactly the same thing.
If you make a measure from pitch to pitch from your 1/2 - 20  and change it in millimeter you should have something close to 1.25 as result  . if is like that you have win !
Tomorrow i can try to buy a 12 x 1.25 and try on my lug  . Maybe i got surprise  and fits 
ciao !

IMHO you should never ever mix metric and SAE. In this specific case it might be possible to put a 1/2 - 20 nut on a M12x1.25, but as "20" in "1/2 - 20" mean 20 threads per inch or 25.4 mm / 20 threads = 1.27 mm/thread it's not correct and as 1/2 inch = 12.7 mm and M12 obviously is 12 mm you might end up with a bolt/nut combination which is half as strong or worse as it should be.

 

10/21/2018 8:22 PM  #7


Re: Dumb Question about Thread Sizes

Years ago I use to work on European packaging machinery
. I do remember there was one size in metric that was very close to SAE. It could very well be the sizes you listed. I'll use the term loosely that it will work, meaning it will tread together. But the more thread engagement there will be a point where it'll bind. Tooth contact to the thread cut is probably less then ideal. If it was the middle of the night in a bad neighborhood, I'd do it. Otherwise I would nut. Use the correct fasteners.


I'm not a complete idiot.....pieces are missing. Tom
 

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