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10/30/2018 10:52 AM  #1


Buying used 302

Was just browsing my local ads for parts and came across a 302 SBF for sale not far down the road. Visually, it looks really good. It’s on a stand and buyer states it ran fine when pulled. Has had new plugs, wires, oil and filter and water pump. Block came out of a 68 Falcon that he recalls and was taken out of a pickup. Also has rebuilt 600 Holley carb and factory manifolds. Would like to put it in my 65 falcon. What do I need to check before buying? Definitely will check that it turns over but what else? I am not an expert in mechanics so things an average person that is fairly mechanically inclined should be able to do. If he was willing, could I take it to a shop for a thorough inspection and if so what would that run? Said he would take $600..

Lastly..I am still needing to do the steering, suspension, brakes..etc. Would it be in my best interest to just wait until I’m really ready to drop a motor in before looking for one?



Last edited by TarheelFalcon (10/30/2018 11:39 AM)

 

10/30/2018 11:38 AM  #2


Re: Buying used 302

I'd see what kind of wiggle room it has.  The 600 Holley doesn't exactly blow my skirt up; I'd rather it had a 500 Edelbrock.  Its IMO too big for an otherwise stock engine. 

I'm also not excited about technology that old.  The heads and intake are old school design, inefficient and down on power.  If it came out of a pickup its got a cam for low end grunt, not top end power.  Not really a great match for a light car like a Falcon. 

For $600 I'd keep looking for a GT40 or GT40P engine from a late '90s Explorer or Mountaineer.  At the same price you are going to get modern heads and a roller cam making a legit 225+HP.  You can probably get all the accessories for that too, plus an EFI intake setup that you can easily sell and net enough for, at the least, a good used carb and intake better suited to your car/engine. 

If you just MUST buy this thing then there's only so much you can check.  Look at the plugs for oil and fouling.  Check the dipstick for clean oil or milkshake that points to a blown head gasket or cracked head or block.  Spin it over and make sure it spins easily (take the plugs out).  If its got a starter and you can really spin it you can do a compression test.  The longer it sat the farther away I'd run. 

 

10/30/2018 11:56 AM  #3


Re: Buying used 302

TKOPerformance wrote:

I'd see what kind of wiggle room it has.  The 600 Holley doesn't exactly blow my skirt up; I'd rather it had a 500 Edelbrock.  Its IMO too big for an otherwise stock engine. 

I'm also not excited about technology that old.  The heads and intake are old school design, inefficient and down on power.  If it came out of a pickup its got a cam for low end grunt, not top end power.  Not really a great match for a light car like a Falcon. 

For $600 I'd keep looking for a GT40 or GT40P engine from a late '90s Explorer or Mountaineer.  At the same price you are going to get modern heads and a roller cam making a legit 225+HP.  You can probably get all the accessories for that too, plus an EFI intake setup that you can easily sell and net enough for, at the least, a good used carb and intake better suited to your car/engine. 

If you just MUST buy this thing then there's only so much you can check.  Look at the plugs for oil and fouling.  Check the dipstick for clean oil or milkshake that points to a blown head gasket or cracked head or block.  Spin it over and make sure it spins easily (take the plugs out).  If its got a starter and you can really spin it you can do a compression test.  The longer it sat the farther away I'd run. 

Noted and good advice. I recall you mentioning the GT40 but didn’t consider the possibility of the cam and also the fact that I would be making 225 pretty much guaranteed. definitely not a must have right now, just wanted some opinions on it. Thanks again!
 

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10/30/2018 12:25 PM  #4


Re: Buying used 302

PASS!  Get everything else done and keep looking for a 5.0. 

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10/30/2018 5:26 PM  #5


Re: Buying used 302

Yeah, a 302 is the beginning of the development of that engine; the GT40P is the end.  You're benefiting from decades of development work from a time when chamber and port designs were basically guess to a time when everything was first build in 3D CAD models and flow tested, then built and flow tested in the rear world.  The chamber and port design in the GT40 and GT40P are just so much more efficient, and efficiency equals power.  Coupled with a roller cam is equals more average power, meaning significantly more torque everywhere in the engine's operating range.  That's the difference you can feel.  Those old engines were rated in gross HP, so 225 was probably really more like 180 real world.  The new engines rated in net HP, it means that 225 is really 225. 

 

10/30/2018 5:37 PM  #6


Re: Buying used 302

Too old............even if in good shape. You can do better for 600 bucks.
At a minimum....you need to hear it run.
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10/30/2018 7:52 PM  #7


Re: Buying used 302

5.0 with roller cam will make alot better engine and you can likely beat the price.
My $200 GT40P engine from a 2001 Explorer is now past $2,000 and I am doing everything in a very budget conscious way. Rebuilt with stock bore and pistons and stock GT roller cam. Biggest expenses was valve job at $443.

It would be best to get a complete engine. I had to spring for new balancer, timing cover, serpentine system, starter, etc.


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11/02/2018 2:37 PM  #8


Re: Buying used 302

Ditto on the GT40P motors. I’m running one in my 66. Paid $450 for the engine, trans and all the EFI stuff. Sold off what I didn’t want for $175. Net cost of $275. Stuck in a used 5.0 cam, $60, used Wieand Stealth intake $80, used Edelbrock 600 carb $125. All I can say it runs real well! You’ll have to buy a “swap” balancer and flywheel but they should be considered consumable items and be replaced anyway. I have no idea how fast it’ll run but talking with a foxbody guy with the same set up said he was running low 13’s with a T5 and 3.27 gears.

Here’s my swap

https://forums.vintage-mustang.com/vintage-mustang-forum/1012953-got-my-gt40p-up-running-my-66-a.html


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