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My Lincoln handy man mig welder list 1/8" (.125) as maximum plate thickness. The subframe kit I need to weld is 7 gauge which is about .180" thick.
Don't want to buy a bigger welder and don't want to pay for a shop to weld this in. Will this work? Is there a welding approach I can take to use the smaller welder to weld thicker material?
thank you
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I have heard that shielding gas selection plays into penetration. Straight CO2 instead of a mixed argon / CO2 shielding gas is supposed to improve penetration.
I’d get some 1/8” scrap and practice with the current turned up to max.
I’d also keep extension cord lengths down, using a 10 or 12 gauge cord if needed and making sure the welder is plugged into a 20 amp circuit.
Also what size wire are you using? .030?
Last edited by Bentworker (12/14/2018 10:56 AM)
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I use my little Lincoln mig welder even up to 1/4 inch plus. I always bevel (grind) the edges of the weld so I can get a good root pass then fill in with additional passes. Most always use .024 wire on mild steel and .030 on stainless. You need to start each pass slowly until you get enough heat in the parts to have a good puddle then keep moving with a little wig wag to keep the puddle flowing. Just takes practice.
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What DC^^^^^^ sez. Grind a bevel (down to a V shape) Maybe even a U shape. Making the bottom of the V/U thin enough that when welding it will melt when you weld it. (that's a root pass) Next weld pass should have the "weld puddle" half way on the root pass and the wall of the V/U bevel. Third pass should cover the other half of the root pass and the other wall of the V/U bevel.
Get my drift?!
OR.......put the root pass in and then "weave" a heavy pass across the width of the bevel going "very" slow so the weld builds up and fills the V/U bevel.(you should be able to "see" the weld build-up behind the wire coming out of the gun.
Also.....when you do this you are entitled to indulge in "welder habits"!!
Here are a few examples:
Talk to it!!...."yeah baby......I'm pour'n the heat to your a-- now!! That's right....fill in....uh huh....who's your f-ing daddy NOW?!" Kinda like that!.
Do you smoke or chew tobacco (dipping snuff also counts)?!
That's part of the "mystic of welder-hood" too!
Should prolly do one of these filthy habits while waiting for the weld to cool.
IF you don't do tobacco you can substitute picking you teeth or nose (with the same finger or course!)
You know you're a "REAL WELDER" when you can weld in the overhead position with no shirt on! We call that a 'bare-back welder'! Or course wearing a tee shirt and cut of jeans shorts will always add "point" to becoming a "REAL WELDER". (flip flop shoes score additional points)
One very important point.........wear your cap backwards ONLY...I repeat ONLY... when in the act-of-welding! ALL OTHER TIMES....caps MUST be worn in the proper 'bill-facing-forward' position!
Only 4 thru 6 year old boys are allowed to wear a cap backward.
Guys any older than that with their cap on backward, are considered to be 'posers' or mutts.
These are just a few of the "benefits" of being a welder....struggling to become a "REAL WELDER"!
6sally6
Merry Christmas!
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Like these guys I've consistently achieved good welds on material thicker than my machine is supposed to be able to weld. Bevel grinding, as well as laying down a root pass, followed by a stitch pass atop it has always worked well.
The trick is practice.
Another trick is grab a propane torch and preheat the material to about 350 degrees for aluminum and 450 degrees for mild steel. The electrode penetrates better in warm material, and the puddle forms more readily. I always preheat aluminum. Steel I've done once or twice. Usually if the material gets too thick I just flip over to my inverter and stick weld it.
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TremendousWand wrote:
My Lincoln handy man mig welder list 1/8" (.125) as maximum plate thickness. The subframe kit I need to weld is 7 gauge which is about .180" thick.
That's maximum thickness for a single pass. These folks steered you right, grind an appropriate bevel, lay a root pass, and finish with either a single weave or 2 stringers for the fill/ cover pass.
And don't swallow the tobacco
Last edited by Jon Richard (12/14/2018 6:59 PM)
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I’m no expert at welding but I did take a course long time ago at the evening adult Ed classes. What the others say, practice on some scrap first. I usually do that if I can any time I weld. At work I carry a Lincoln 120 volt, 140 amp welder with flux core since anytime I use it is outdoors. I’ve welded a few things I thought I couldn’t because they were really too big but I was able with multiple passes. Practice, practice, practice
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1. Clean metal
2. No extension cord.
3. Good ground.
4. Use .030 or .035 solid welding wire
5. It'll work! Get after it!
5.5 Miller time!!!
I use C25 Argon/CO2 gas with good results. .
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Getting harder up here to fine a 2 part mix. Most only stock 3 part oxy mix for bottle exchange. The only difference I can see is it costs more. Weld quality is no better ( just my opinion). Maybe a 3 part works for those, that have high end migs, where the heat can be fine tuned and turned down a little. Gas companies are getting like used car salesmen.
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What has worked best for me is stitch welding instead of a continuous bead! Also the settings and wire speed go hand in hand
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Tri mix gas is usually only used for welding stainless. There's no reason to use it for anything else, other than so the supplier can price gouge you. I use straight C02 for steel and straight Argon for aluminum.
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Im going to give you a bit of a different answer. I have a Lincoln weld pac which is a similar amperage to the handy mig. 88 amps. When I put subframe connectors on my convertible, I started the first welds with the Lincoln. The welds looked like shiz. I had to grind most of it off because I wasnt happy with the finished look. I actually now have 3 welders, but at that time, I only had 2. I switched to my Clarke en 180, which is a 220 welder, and it welded the subframe connectors on like they were butter, with nice pretty welds that make me smile. Since then, I have bought a 140 amp inverter technology welder, from Northern Tool, and it welds great. I even though its a 110 welder, it would have had enough thump to weld those subframe connectors. Now, to my advice. Like others have said, I think your best shot at getting this done with your handyman mig, is CO2 gas, and preheating the metal, in particular, the thicker metal of the subframe connector. I have welded things way beyond the capability of my Lincoln weld pac by preheathing thicker metal. Also, the others advice about clean metal, good grounds, no extension cords, is all great advice. There is no bad advice in this thread.
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If you do have to use an extension cord, use a heavy gauge one. Home Depot, Lowes, and others carry 10 gauge extension cords. They are all I use for work, because without them its common to trip breakers using common tools like a chop box, table saw, etc., especially if an air compressor is plugged into the same circuit.
Ideally you want a 20 amp circuit for that welder too. That's 12 wire instead of 14. Its worth checking. A lot of older homes used 12 wire, even for 15 amp circuits because copper was cheap at one point. A word of caution though, if its aluminum wiring the wire gauge is 2 sizes larger for the same load compared to copper, so they used 12 gauge for 15 amp circuits and 10 gauge for 20 amp circuits. I recommend running new copper wire if its aluminum. Copper is a considerably better conductor and there's no need for special outlets, or expensive wire nuts when coupling copper to aluminum ($3.50 each!).
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I installed a 20amp circuit last year in the garage for just this purpose.
Not sure what extension cable I use, it hasn't been a problem before. I've done plenty of welding w/ this, just never pushed the limits.
I'll bevel the edges before welding, good tip. I can make this work.
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I have a Lincoln 140 and have welded 1/4" with it. On gas, that's pushing things, so I preheat with a MAAP gas torch. However, I've found that off gas and using flux core wire (don't forget to reverse the leads) it welds thicker steel better.
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One technique no one has mentioned is dual-shield flux core. Load up some .035 flux core mig wire, use your regular mig shield gas; welds like stick, but better. You have to chip off the flux, but you needed to wire brush the weld anyway.
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