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I knew it was in great condition because I rebuilt it myself about 9 years ago. When I rebuilt it I replaced everything except the input shaft, one of the gears, and the counter gear. Everything else was new. In fact when I originally did all this, had I pulled the transmission apart and inspected things before I bought any parts I never would have rebuilt the transmission as to much needed to be replaced. Anyway because I had some of the parts I ponied up and bought the rest of the parts and rebuilt it. I then ran it in the Galaxie for about 1000 miles. With it being a fresh rebuild you may be wondering why I cracked it open?? I am upgrading it to a z-spec, so now all the gears, the input shaft, and the counter gear will be replaced. When I am done this transmission will be completely new except the case and 5th gear.
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Need any "special tools"?!
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6sally6 wrote:
Need any "special tools"?!
6sally6
Glen's phone number on speed dial!!
That and a shop press, other than that its idiot proof. I proved that the first time
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FYI, if this wasn't a 2.95 first geared trans to start with and you change to the 2.95 first gear your 5th gear ratio will decrease because 5th gear is a compound ratio. If this was a Fox era box and used the 0.68 5th gear with a 3.35 first your new 5th ratio with a 2.95 first will be 0.59. You can however swap 5th gears to get back closer to the original ratio. Hanlon has take out 5th gears that will get you a Z-Spec 0.63 ratio 5th gear. The next step up is aftermarket 5th gear set that are a 0.80 ratio, really designed for road racing and I wouldn't advise using those in a street car.
Also, if its coming apart again I highly suggest installing a countergear support plate. This allows you to preload the countergear, and seemingly eliminates oscillation induced failure of 3rd gear.
6sally6, no special tools are needed to rebuild a T5. Good snap ring pliers, both internal and external. A press is handy, but even that's not 100% necessary. I rebuilt transmissions for year without one by using brass drifts and carefully cutting the old bearings off using a whiz wheel and a cold chisel.
Anyone rebuilding one can also contact me if you get stuck. I've built and rebuilt dozens of T5s over the years, everything from stock rebuilds to Z-spec conversions to full on race transmissions using G-Force parts (good to 600HP and 500 lbs/ft.). The biggest secret is simply laying everything out exactly as it came apart, so it goes back the same way.
Here's five important pointers I've learned over the years:
1.) Use some heavy grease to hold the individual roller bearings in the input shaft.
2.) You cannot get the countergear in or out of the maincase with the front bearing in place. To get it out you will need to at least cut the cage off the front bearing. To get it in, install the rear bearing and cup in the case, then place a piece of 1/4" steel across the cup (so you aen't pressing the bearing into the cup; the countergear will bear on the nub in the center of the bearing as it sits a few thousandths proud of the bearing cone). Then you can press or drive the front bearing on with a brass drift.
3.) Make sure your shift rails are all in neutral on assembly. If you don't you will end up with the trans stuck in 5th gear. When its going together right you'll have to install the top cover at an angle and slide it towards the left side of the trans to engage everything right.
4.) ALWAYS bench test the trans before putting it in the vehicle. I keep an old stock shifter around for this. You want to make sure you have every gear. You might need to spin the input shaft just a it to get them in and out of gear; that's normal.
5.) DO NOT ever, ever, ever touch the 1/2 synchronizer hub. Don't try to press it off, don't try to beat on it. It does NOT come off. That hub is installed on the mainshaft at the factory by installing it super hot on a freezing cold shaft and allowing it to shrink onto the mainshaft. If you pres it off it will be ruined. It will get bent or tweaked in such a way that the 1/2 sliding sleeve will no longer move across it properly. At that point the mainshaft becomes junk. Its an expensive mistake, ask me how I know
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TKOPerformance wrote:
FYI, if this wasn't a 2.95 first geared trans to start with and you change to the 2.95 first gear your 5th gear ratio will decrease because 5th gear is a compound ratio. If this was a Fox era box and used the 0.68 5th gear with a 3.35 first your new 5th ratio with a 2.95 first will be 0.59. You can however swap 5th gears to get back closer to the original ratio. Hanlon has take out 5th gears that will get you a Z-Spec 0.63 ratio 5th gear. The next step up is aftermarket 5th gear set that are a 0.80 ratio, really designed for road racing and I wouldn't advise using those in a street car.
Oh thats somthing I didn't know. With the rear end I am runnning and the application of the car having a 5th gear in the range of .6 will be better for my application. The original setup was out of an 86 Fox 3.35 first gear
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Also, if its coming apart again I highly suggest installing a countergear support plate. This allows you to preload the countergear, and seemingly eliminates oscillation induced failure of 3rd gear.
I couldn't agree more. I put one on when I rebuilt it the first time and EVERY T5 that gets rebuilt should have one IMHO
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Here's five important pointers I've learned over the years:
good points but there is one more.
6. Make sure the dowel pin is completely removed from the shifter block after you remove the block from the case. If you leave the pin in the block and try and install a new pin you will drive the old pin into the case and lock things up.
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Here's a link to Hanolon's site:
If you want to swap the 5th gear give them a call. They have the 0.63 sets for the 2.95 first gear in stock. Cost was reasonable. Bob and Linda are great to deal with.
I'm building a T5 for my '89 GT, and thus collecting parts. Only thing I'm waiting on now is my gear kit. I'm using the A5 Astro kit this time. I've never tried one, and people rave about them so we'll see. Tony's been great to deal with, just waiting on production to start this year before they ship out the kit.
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TKOPerformance wrote:
Here's a link to Hanolon's site:
If you want to swap the 5th gear give them a call. They have the 0.63 sets for the 2.95 first gear in stock. Cost was reasonable. Bob and Linda are great to deal with.
I'm building a T5 for my '89 GT, and thus collecting parts. Only thing I'm waiting on now is my gear kit. I'm using the A5 Astro kit this time. I've never tried one, and people rave about them so we'll see. Tony's been great to deal with, just waiting on production to start this year before they ship out the kit.
I am familiar with Hanlon. It's their video I first watched to get comfortable enough to rebuild it the first time. I also have the "bad shoe" video and the "eric the car guy" videos on T5 rebuilding. All excellent sources. I know Glen has used the Astro kits and much prefers them over the G-force pieces. I have heard there is some issues with the g-force tooth contact patterns and that causing issues.
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TKO, I do have a question. The cluster gear I had in the T5 is an 052, I think the trans originally came from an 86 foxbody, and the new gears are all true z-spec except for using needle bearings rather than a tapered bearing where the input shaft and main shaft meet, any way this is the 5th gear I have. So can you tell me exactly what my new 5th gear ratio will be?
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The 052 countergear is the typical Fox V8 part used in the WC T5s from '85-'89 with 3.35/1.93/1.29/1.00 1st through 4th ratios. Tooth count on the speed gears will be 34/30/27/23.
2.95 first geared T5s used either an "070" or "053" countergear, but these were primarily offered in GM V8 T5s used in the 3rd gen F-bodies.
Starting in '90 The V8 Mustang T5s slightly changed gear ratios, which is why you always need to count gear teeth before ordering replacements. 2nd and 3rd changed to 1.99 and 1.33 ratios respectively. Further complicating matters is that Ford resurrected the old ratios for SN95 production behind the 3.8 V6.
Regarding the 5th gear the only ratio that matters is 1st, so all factory V8 T5s used in Mustangs had the 0.68 5th gear ratio, because they all also had the 3.35 1st ratio. Long story short, you'll end up with a 0.59 5th gear if you reuse your stock 5th gear set. To get back to a 0.63 ratio you'll need to swap the 5th gear set.
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I got it all put back together. Simple project and now I have a complete gear set sitting on the shelf if I were to ever damage either the T5 in the Galaxie or the Mustang.
I even decided to make a tag for it so a person could easily tell what it was and what it is now
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I just finished doing the same thing to my T5. My 65 FB has 3.70 gears in the rear and the 3.35 first gear barely got me across the intersection before I had to shift into second. The trans was wining and making a racket even in neutral so I knew it was time for a rebuild. A couple of the gears had to be replaced so I swapped in the 2.95 gear set while I was at it. In another post, I detailed how I got my mainshaft input bearing surface repaired:
1. T5 parts are getting expensive. While the other gears needed in the switch to a 2.95 first gear set are easily found at a reasonable price, that 2.95 first gear is getting had to find and expensive. So if you're thinking about converting to the 2.95 gear set, see if you can get first gear before you start. I was able to get a perfect used one on ebay.
2. Check your shift forks for hairline cracks. My 3-4 fork was cracked and I didn't notice it until I started the rebuild and had to stop and wait on the part. A shifter with stops ( my trans was a Craiglist find) would probably have prevented this.
3. If any of the sliders have questionable points replace them as they are pretty cheap.
4. If you notice that after assembling the mainshaft, the gears on the mainshaft don't spin freely, check the synchros - in my case, even though I oiled them well, they stuck to the cones like glue. I had to pry them back gently to free them up. This is apparently so common, it's the reason BW installed the rubber plug on the end of the mainshaft so they could ship them filled with oil to prevent this.
5. I was going to use anerobic sealant since Paul Cangliaosi prefers it. The Permatex sealant I got "recommends" a primer/activator and I saw conflicting reports about it not working without it. So I stayed with black RTV. If you're going to use the anaerobic sealer, look into this.
6. Don't adjust the stops on the shifter so they just barely contact the shifter. I did this and couldn't shift to second cleanly. I had to leave a little space between the shifter and the rear stop.
I'm still looking for a rubber lower shifter boot that will fit and last more than a year. I had one from Hurst, but it deterioted. If you know of one that will clear the typical larger diameter shifter and its stops, pls let me know. I'm actually thinking about making one out of leather with a hem on the bottom for a zip tie.
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T5 parts right now are still a bit of a mishmash in terms of availability. The 2.95 gears are so expensive new, because they are a Tremec part. The aftermarket has not picked them up yet, and given the age of the T5 and the market size its uncertain as to whether or not they ever will. I used to be able to buy a complete Z-Spec gear kit for $450, all new Tremec parts. Now, a 1st gear will set you back somewhere in the $250-$300 range.
I carefully inspect all the parts in the trans after cleaning and anything that doesn't look new gets replaced. Its a more expensive way to rebuild a trans than a lot of shops use, but I've never had a trans I've rebuilt come back, or had a single complaint about its operation. When I button them up; they're for all intents and purposes new inside. I find almost every T5 needs a reverse idler gear and a 1/2 slider at a minimum. 2nd gear also tend to take a beating from sloppy powershifts. 5th is sometimes chewed up, I think because at the point where guys are shifting into 5th they're no longer really paying attention and just slapping it into OD.
On the synchros and cones I use synthetic Amsoil ATF on assembly. That's the fluid I run in the trans anyway, and its slicker than snake snot. If you're going to run regular ATF I would advise soaking those parts in ATF for a couple hours just like the clutches in an automatic.
I've only ever used RTV to assemble T5s. Just be sure to give it a full 24 hours to cure before filling the trans with oil.
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I used Loctite 515 Gasket Eliminator straight out of the tube. That's what Lycoming and Continental suggest to use on their case halves and what I had laying around. When I took the front bearing retainer back off because of the stripped threads it was sealed and dried on the contact surfaces and hadn't even thought about drying where it had oozed out. It doesn't require a primer. I don't like RTV because petroleum products get past it. - - - - Just mho
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HudginJ3 wrote:
I used Loctite 515 Gasket Eliminator straight out of the tube. That's what Lycoming and Continental suggest to use on their case halves and what I had laying around. When I took the front bearing retainer back off because of the stripped threads it was sealed and dried on the contact surfaces and hadn't even thought about drying where it had oozed out. It doesn't require a primer. I don't like RTV because petroleum products get past it. - - - - Just mho
I remember putting together a Continental O-200 with Permatex and a silk thread "back in the day".
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Yep, Pratt & Whitney used that technique too. The forerunner of o-ring gaskets!
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