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Hi all, we are finishing the install of the CSRP disk brake kit. Nice kit overall and good service from Dennis. We aksi bought and are using Mustang steve Pedal bracket, pin kit and brake booster. Sons new welding skills are paying off.
We are running new brake lines and having a hard time getting them to seal. We were very careful to get them in nice and straight and put them all the way in by hand with just the final torque using the tubing wrench.
Having said that we still have the line from the proportioning valve to the rears leaking. Due to the routing of the kits lines it is very difficult to get to and tighten. The rear brake line now looks to be tweaked from all the effort.
Here is the question:
1.Should we, order a new pre bent rear intermediate line and try again.
2.Cut and flare in a new section from somewhere lower on the original line that would run directly to the proportioning valve without the provided line from CSRP
3.Get straight line and bend up a brand new line to the same positioning and try again?
I did the conversion with SSBC on another coupe years ago and mounted the proportioning valve to inner fender. This kit mounts the proportioning valve to a bracket off of the bottom of the master cylinder and then has a pre-bent s-curve line as well as a flexible line that goes to the distribution block. Curious why one of the lines is flexible and the others are pre-bent hardlines
Anyone use this kit and change the proportioning valve location or have ideas and opinions about it?
Thanks,
Q
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Are the lines stainless or mild steel?
You can try loosening the line and retightening it. Stainless lines often need that to seal right.
If access is hard, make a wrench. I've a drawer full of them for various hard to reach fasteners on my various vehicles. Cut, grind, end, weld, etc. I keep a box of old off brand wrenches and sockets (spares) I've found over the years and use them for this stuff so I'm not ruining a new, expensive wrench or socket.
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Here is a tip that will solve your problem, but it involves reflaring the line.
The secret is to not tighten the flare tool down tight when performing the-second function of the flare. About 1/2 turn is the most you should apply, once the cone touches the flare. If you tighten it real tight, you work-harden the inside of the flare and it will never seal.
By leaving the flare “not fully formed” you leave soft metal in the flare so the tube nut does the final forming in the fitting with very little tightening effort.
Also, if you are using those stainless steel tube nuts that came with Dennis’ kit, you have about a 1% chance of them working. They are undersized on the threads. Replace them with steel tube nuts from Fed-Hill, or OReillys or another USA made source. When Michael at MustangSteve sells one of Dennis’ kits, he routinely replaces the chinese tube nuts with USA made before shipping the parts. And always throws away the preformed hoses for the mc and prop valve connections. They are made to be easy to install, but in my opinion do not look good and cause leakage issues. The rest of the CSRP front disc brake kit is top notch stuff, especially when matched with a MS power booster and pedal.
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Thanks TKO, the line that I am having trouble with is the line that was supplied with the Kit that Steve mentions. It goes from the proportioning valve to the stock rear brake line. However I would like to get rid of the flex line that came in the kit as well. I guess I was on the same page as you. I already cut down my wrench to get into the tight spot.
Steve do you recommend I just replace those two lines with 3/16 oreilly brake line (steel) and make my own to replace them? Dumb question can I get a female nut for the end that mates with the stock rear line?
Do you sell those replacement lines already made up by Michael?
Thanks,Q
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You'll need a fitting to mate a male fitting to a male fitting. If they are the same size its just an inverted flare union. If they aren't the same size still shouldn't be a problem so long as both are US thread. Where it gets tough is going metric to US. They exist, but it will take some looking online or a trip to a local hydraulic shop.
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A union as TKO suggests is readily available at OReilly.
Yes, make new steel lines. The tubing is easily formable.
But it is dark green. Only place I have found galvanized finish is Speedway. I’m sure there are other sources, though.
We do not offer ready made lines. Seems everyone’s car is configured s little different. You will find it easy to form new lines. Use a cost hanger wire to make a pattern. A 5/8” socket clamped in a bench vise will give you a radius to easily form the tuning to get any shape you want.
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NAPA by me still carries the old style silver line in addition to the new green stuff. Paint also works wonders in a pinch.
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TKOPerformance wrote:
NAPA by me still carries the old style silver line in addition to the new green stuff. Paint also works wonders in a pinch.
Yeah, NAPA was the last one around here to have the old style tubing. Once they sold it all, the new stuff is that beautiful green stuff we all love.
I have found that scuffing the tube with some 400 and applying CHROME spray paint makes it look pretty good. Chrome paint sounds pretty cheezy, but it is at best a bright silver that does not rub off on your hands like most silver paint does.
Pic shows carb fuel line that was done this way. Has beenon there five years or more.
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Thanks Steve and TKO, freshly bent lines using Steves flaring tips and we are all sealed up. Now 2 more questions.
1 We have an automatic. I don't want to share the vacuum for the booster with other things right. I have one that goes to the distributor front of carb, PCV to carb spacer and Trans from port on back of intake. Suggestions as to where or what ports should work best for what.
2 We did the Mustang Steve Pedal Pin and Bracket. The pedal seems quite high. Is that normal or should we do something to adjust it?
Thanks,
Q
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2x on what MS says.
Dont crush the flare in the tool by over tightening. Let your final tightening when assembling set the flair to the fittings. ..works every time!
I buy rolls of 25' bulk steel 3/16" tubing thru Amazon. Great stuff. US made
Also, best tubing bender in the world! A bit pricey but pays for itself first time you use it:
Imperial 364-FH-03 Tubing Bender 3/16" Tube
Last edited by ponch0v (6/20/2019 8:06 PM)
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Qstang wrote:
Thanks Steve and TKO, freshly bent lines using Steves flaring tips and we are all sealed up. Now 2 more questions.
1 We have an automatic. I don't want to share the vacuum for the booster with other things right. I have one that goes to the distributor front of carb, PCV to carb spacer and Trans from port on back of intake. Suggestions as to where or what ports should work best for what.
2 We did the Mustang Steve Pedal Pin and Bracket. The pedal seems quite high. Is that normal or should we do something to adjust it?
Thanks,
Q
Vacuum is vacuum. The factory intake had a vacuum tee in the rear that provided vacuum for everything from the booster to the HVAC to the transmission modulator line. Distributor advance vacuum should come off the carb, because there are two ways to connect it (timed or manifold) depending on whether or not the nipple you use is above or below the throttle blades. There are pros and cons to both I suppose, but I've always just gone by which one made the engine run best.
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Thanks TKO,
I will just T the line with the trans modulator and run the booster from there then.
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Regarding the vacuum modulator line, to prevent fuel condensate from collecting down at the modulator and gunking it up (been there, done that!) I would recommend running the modulator line from the intake port up high on the firewall and then down to the transmission. I don't have much firewall room on mine so I took a small 1/2" thick piece of aluminum plate and drilled two holes in it; one for a bolt to pass through to mount it on the intake and the other (at an angle) to hold a loop of metal tubing. It mounts right behind the carb with one end of the loop going to intake vacuum (rubber hose connection) and the other end is a rubber line that runs down to the modulator, so the loop is the only piece of metal line in place. I also tapped my vacuum gauge off of this line for the same reason (fuel vapor condensate). The top of the loop is about level with the top of the carb body and it tucks nicely behind everything.
It took some time for the modulator to gunk up and when it did I at first thought the modulator was shot. After 'pumping' the diaphragm and emptying the vacuum side I found that the modulator was fine and further research pointed me to the condensate problem and Ford's solution. I replaced the modulator and put the loop in place, problem solved!
I don't have a pic but I'll snap one and post it in a bit... and here ya go!
Last edited by 351MooseStang (6/21/2019 9:57 PM)
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Huh, interesting info 351MooseStang. The things you never think about...
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Too true... I never thought about it until the trans had problems shifting into 3rd. It would eventually go but it was really delayed. It turns out that the modulator can collect enough condensate to fill it and combined with the restriction of the adjustment screw, it ends up acting as a damper. I've seen many posts online about the vacuum modulator failing and being full of gunk but I'm betting a lot of those cases are the same as the one I had.
I like to examine why things fail and in doing so I quickly figured out the problem and came up with a solution that works. Plus it's fun when you get to make a quick item that solves a big problem!
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