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8/23/2019 3:57 PM  #1


Uhg! Rear axle seal leak


Gary Zilik - Pine Junction, Colorado - 67 Coupe, 289-4V, T5
 

8/23/2019 4:16 PM  #2


Re: Uhg! Rear axle seal leak

Now is a prefect time to lose your mind and install some disc brakes that you'll fiddle with for years and never get to work right.


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

8/23/2019 4:39 PM  #3


Re: Uhg! Rear axle seal leak

Sorry for the huge picture. Further digging found this. The axle seal may be OK, but it is getting replace along with this wonderful bearing.

Last edited by RV6 (8/23/2019 4:42 PM)


Gary Zilik - Pine Junction, Colorado - 67 Coupe, 289-4V, T5
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8/23/2019 4:41 PM  #4


Re: Uhg! Rear axle seal leak

rpm wrote:

Now is a prefect time to lose your mind and install some disc brakes that you'll fiddle with for years and never get to work right.

Thank you for the advise! 


Gary Zilik - Pine Junction, Colorado - 67 Coupe, 289-4V, T5
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8/23/2019 4:44 PM  #5


Re: Uhg! Rear axle seal leak

Bearing shrapnel, yum!  The seal leak hopefully got you to catch it in time.  Sucks, but its time to pull the other shaft and the third member, flush it thoroughly, and reassemble with new axle bearings I seals.  I'd really go over the third member too, make sure nothing got trashed from ingesting bearing fragments. 

 

8/23/2019 4:51 PM  #6


Re: Uhg! Rear axle seal leak

NAPA has the parts and will deliver to the house tomorrow morning. Next step is to find someone who can press the bearing and retaining sleeve on as I do not have that capability.
 


Gary Zilik - Pine Junction, Colorado - 67 Coupe, 289-4V, T5
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8/23/2019 5:02 PM  #7


Re: Uhg! Rear axle seal leak

TKOPerformance wrote:

Bearing shrapnel, yum!  The seal leak hopefully got you to catch it in time.  Sucks, but its time to pull the other shaft and the third member, flush it thoroughly, and reassemble with new axle bearings I seals.  I'd really go over the third member too, make sure nothing got trashed from ingesting bearing fragments. 

I think the axle seal kept shrapnel from entering the housing. The 8" uses sealed bearings and this one grenaded large time. There is a bunch of junk outside the rear axle seal and the tube/lube inside the housing looks good. I will drain the  3rd member and check for shrapnel. 

Even with the ball retainer gone and several balls to boot, the bearing feels great. No slop, no dragging. 


Gary Zilik - Pine Junction, Colorado - 67 Coupe, 289-4V, T5
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8/23/2019 5:11 PM  #8


Re: Uhg! Rear axle seal leak

Hopefully all is well inside too Gary.
From first picture guess you saw oil on garage floor?

 

8/23/2019 5:22 PM  #9


Re: Uhg! Rear axle seal leak

Nos681 wrote:

Hopefully all is well inside too Gary.
From first picture guess you saw oil on garage floor?

Dan,

I saw no oil on the floor although there was a little seepage around the backing plate. I first thought the wheel cylinder was leaking. When I pulled the drum I thought it was the axle seal. Once I got the brakes removed I could see it was a lot worse. I replaced both rear axle bearings 4 years ago (21000 miles) and thought I was good for another 50 years. I guess they don't build parts to last 50 years anymore.  Four years ago when I replace the bearings/seals I thought, "My gosh, these leather seals have been in here for almost 50 years. I wonder if the new ones will last that long?" I never thought the new bearings would fail. 


Gary Zilik - Pine Junction, Colorado - 67 Coupe, 289-4V, T5
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8/23/2019 5:59 PM  #10


Re: Uhg! Rear axle seal leak

Maybe dead bearings are contagious .... who do we know that's afflicted with bearingitis?   
Was there an infected car in Colorado recently?


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8/23/2019 6:03 PM  #11


Re: Uhg! Rear axle seal leak

RV6 wrote:

NAPA has the parts and will deliver to the house tomorrow morning. Next step is to find someone who can press the bearing and retaining sleeve on as I do not have that capability.
 

Dude, with the size shop you have, get you a hydraulic press. Pronto. It'll pay for itself in no time.
 


This one will work for you, but I'd get the 20 ton.


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

8/23/2019 6:51 PM  #12


Re: Uhg! Rear axle seal leak

RV6 wrote:

Sorry for the huge picture. Further digging found this. The axle seal may be OK, but it is getting replace along with this wonderful bearing.

Hard to argue with a Red Man.......man
6sal6
 


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8/24/2019 7:12 AM  #13


Re: Uhg! Rear axle seal leak

rpm wrote:

RV6 wrote:

NAPA has the parts and will deliver to the house tomorrow morning. Next step is to find someone who can press the bearing and retaining sleeve on as I do not have that capability.
 

Dude, with the size shop you have, get you a hydraulic press. Pronto. It'll pay for itself in no time.
 
This one will work for you, but I'd get the 20 ton.

 
I know I should just buy one but some times I squeak. Since I'll be at NAPA I'll see what they have in stock and maybe bring one home.

My 39 9N tractor uses a similar bearing arrangement. To replace bearings the lock ring is drilled and split to remove. Once the new bearing is dropped over the axle shaft the new lock ring is heated to glowing red and dropped over the axle and shrinks to fit.


Gary Zilik - Pine Junction, Colorado - 67 Coupe, 289-4V, T5
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8/24/2019 8:13 AM  #14


Re: Uhg! Rear axle seal leak

Ol Skool way. long pipe & BFH

 

8/24/2019 11:52 AM  #15


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So I hop in the SSR to drive the 18 miles to NAPA to pick up the parts as they would not deliver on a Saturday. Go figure. I get the parts and and now going to head the 31 miles to HF and pick up a press. I hear a loud bang while sitting in the left turn lane waiting for the light. Was that me? I rolled down the window and now wondered if the smell was me. Then I saw the smoke/steam rising up on the right side of the hood. A quick glance at the temp gauge I hang a u-turn and head back into the NAPA parking lot. Fluid is dripping everywhere. I pop the hood and see that the cap on the degass bottle has blown off. WTF over? Napa does not even have a Chebby SSR in their database and have no caps that might fit. I got lucky and found the cap sitting the frame in a non accessible spot. A broom handle got it to drop on the ground. 1.5 gallons of coolant later it seems to be holding water. The stupid electric cooling fan crapped out is what happened. I made it home but still have not gone to Harbor Freight and the mustang is still on jack stands. 


Gary Zilik - Pine Junction, Colorado - 67 Coupe, 289-4V, T5
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8/24/2019 5:51 PM  #16


Re: Uhg! Rear axle seal leak

I had to go to two Harbor Freights to find a press. I hate shopping! The press should have been marketed by Ikea, I had to put it together. 

I hate pressing things apart. Getting everything lined up can be a real pain. Getting everything supported can be a real pain. So the pressure is on and it still won't budge. A little tap of a hammer can usually get things moving. So I was off to get my little ball peen and half way to the the hammer it all let go with a big bang. I'm glad I was not there to witness the let-go.

Figuring out how to support the bearing with available resources is always a chore. Here the bearing and coller is set to come off.
 


Pressing things together was a little easier in the setup department. I pressed the bearing on first and then the locking coller. The bearing is a tight fit, but the coller takes quite a bit of pressure. 



Now to find something 2.25 inches in diameter to press the axle seal into the axle housing. Biggest round thing I have is 1-7/8" in diameter. I'm going to chuck up a block of wood in the metal lathe and turn it down.

Last edited by RV6 (8/24/2019 6:14 PM)


Gary Zilik - Pine Junction, Colorado - 67 Coupe, 289-4V, T5
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8/24/2019 9:37 PM  #17


Re: Uhg! Rear axle seal leak

Nice work Gary. With a lathe and press,  I've picked up many pieces of aluminum and steel tube and round bar stock to make for using the press. Baby steps. One piece at a time. You'll have a full service shop in no time


Bob. 69 Mach 1, 393W, SMOD Toploader, Armstrong  steering, factory AC.
 

8/24/2019 10:42 PM  #18


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I’m surprised Gary that you don’t have a wood splitter with your tractor.
Redneck shop press! 😁

 

8/25/2019 7:26 AM  #19


Re: Uhg! Rear axle seal leak

Nos681 wrote:

I’m surprised Gary that you don’t have a wood splitter with your tractor.
Redneck shop press! 😁


Gary Zilik - Pine Junction, Colorado - 67 Coupe, 289-4V, T5
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8/25/2019 2:01 PM  #20


Re: Uhg! Rear axle seal leak

All done. I had to replace the shoes as well since they were oil covered. I would usually use brake clean to wash them down but the linings had serious cracks in them. Messing with drum brakes is not my kind of fun.

To install the axle seal I found I did not have a socket the right size. It was obvious that 4 years ago I did not have the right size socket either as the seal was sort of concave. I had nothing appropriate so I headed to the hardware store and the only thing 2.25" in diameter was a schedule 40 PVC union. I also grabbed a reducer to help beef up the end I would pound on. PVC parts are not perfect so I had to chuck the union in the lathe and shave it down some.



Here is the seal in its happy place

Last edited by RV6 (8/25/2019 2:03 PM)


Gary Zilik - Pine Junction, Colorado - 67 Coupe, 289-4V, T5
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8/26/2019 10:34 AM  #21


Re: Uhg! Rear axle seal leak

I had a leaking oil seal issue with axle seals on my 66 and the local speed shop fixed the issue with sealed bearings.


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8/30/2019 4:09 PM  #22


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I knew you had one!

Nice work Gary.🕺🏻🕺🏻

 

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