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9/26/2019 7:53 AM  #1


Plug Gaps

I was wondering... Do you guys still set your plug gaps, or do you just go with the factory gap that was set?
If you set the gap, what gap do you set to?


1964-1/2 D Code Coupe - 289 V8, 4 Speed Toploader, 3.00 ratio rear, Autolite 4100 Carb, 15" tires, Pertronix ignition
 

9/26/2019 1:10 PM  #2


Re: Plug Gaps

I check the gap on every spark plug I put in everything from my chainsaw to my Mustang.  All it takes it that plug being dropped one time to close the gap, and you never know how these things were handled.

I run stock gap for stock ignition.  Once you start changing parts, get rid of the points, hotter coil, etc. the stock gap will be insufficient.  Most high energy ignitions will want a plug gap of at least 0.045", and some can tolerate as much as 0.060". 

 

9/26/2019 6:06 PM  #3


Re: Plug Gaps

.060” with high energy coil.


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9/28/2019 7:56 AM  #4


Re: Plug Gaps

Ok, thanks guys.
I have a full Pertronix flame thrower system, so it could probably handle the wider setting that y'all mentioned.


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9/29/2019 8:17 PM  #5


Re: Plug Gaps

Define a high energy coil.


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9/30/2019 4:56 AM  #6


Re: Plug Gaps

In my experience its 50,000 volts or more.  Sometimes the coil manufacturer will include a recommendation for plug gap in their literature. 

 

9/30/2019 12:33 PM  #7


Re: Plug Gaps

We used to find some power on the dyno by playing with plug gap. You gotta remember that there is distributor timing and dynamic timing that is affected by a lot of things. Higher reving engines seemed to like one thing and low end grunt liked something else. Road race engines with wide rev ranges were a compromise as would be street/performance cars. The ignition guys like MSD usually have ok recommendations.

 

9/30/2019 7:41 PM  #8


Re: Plug Gaps

Thanks guys.
I will be purchasing a plug gap tool (feeler gauges shot) and try the 0.60" and see how the engine likes that. Mine isn't a race machine or anything like that, but with the lighter advance springs, maybe this will add to the pep...


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10/03/2019 4:56 PM  #9


Re: Plug Gaps

Update...
I reset all the plug gaps and used a penny to get the desired gap. The penny was the closest to 0.60".
The car ran great. I think I could detect an even smoother idle.
I look forward to seeing the mpg and performance after doing this.


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10/03/2019 7:52 PM  #10


Re: Plug Gaps

If you want to go totally anal, index the plugs.


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10/04/2019 5:58 AM  #11


Re: Plug Gaps

I tried it once, seemed to make no difference on my car, and its a lot of work, especially if the engine has headers because the plugs are in and out a lot to get them right.  Maybe on something super high performance its worthwhile, but IME not on a typical street or street/strip engine. 

 

10/04/2019 7:03 AM  #12


Re: Plug Gaps

TKOPerformance wrote:

I tried it once, seemed to make no difference on my car, and its a lot of work, especially if the engine has headers because the plugs are in and out a lot to get them right.  Maybe on something super high performance its worthwhile, but IME not on a typical street or street/strip engine. 

I'm not expecting anything earth shattering... I believe I noticed a smoother idle. I already have the flame thrower 3 pertronix system on the car, so if it just creates a better burn, that's good enough for me.


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10/04/2019 1:24 PM  #13


Re: Plug Gaps

Oh, there's a difference from getting the gap right, no doubt.  I was referencing plug indexing.  That's where you align the gap in the plug to the intake valve.  The idea is that it starts the burn at the earliest possible moment.  It requires washers to space the plug out whatever is needed so that it lines up.  You mark the plug as to where the gap is and install it, see where the gap ends up, then add washers and try again if it wasn't right.  Wash, rinse, repeat until its right, then do that rigamarole 7 more times. 

 

10/04/2019 4:49 PM  #14


Re: Plug Gaps

I had never heard of plug indexing, so thanks for the heads up on this.
Probably complete overkill in my situation - ha, ha


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10/04/2019 5:28 PM  #15


Re: Plug Gaps

I just read an article by NGK on indexing. It was interesting,  but even they seemed to indicate uncertainty in doing it.
Have you guys side gapped plugs? I do know of this, but wondered if it was worth doing. I remember back some years, those fork tipped plugs were all the rage, but hardly hear anything about them now.
Oh and while I was reading up on indexing, I came across some discussion where drag racers and performance guys intentionally run narrower plug gaps. This had me confused as I always thought the wider the gap the better (within reason)


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10/04/2019 6:26 PM  #16


Re: Plug Gaps

Drag racers usually use magnetos which have a longer spark duration than coil ignitions.
When I had magneto sparked motorcycles many years ago the gap was about 20 thou if I remember correctly.

Last edited by Rudi (10/04/2019 6:32 PM)


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10/05/2019 5:54 AM  #17


Re: Plug Gaps

All the fork tipped, ring tipped, etc. plugs are gimmicks.  Smokey Yunick devoted a couple pages in his autobiography to his testing various ignition devices, including flame ignition as opposed to spark ignition.  He was sponsored by Champion at one point and spoke highly of their engineers (not something he did often).  The summation was that a spark is a spark.  Even flame ignition which seemed promising initially turned out the same.  Its much more important when you initiate the burn than how its done.  Some chamber designs can benefit from multiple sparks, especially the less efficient they are.  In the end though, proper heat range in racing was more important than anything else.  Those lean, mean mixtures will melt a stock plug.

In racing most guys I know run regular copper plugs, unless they have forced induction where iridium is preferred because its much less likely to erode.  The gap is always going to depend on your ignition system, and testing. 

 

2/04/2020 10:16 PM  #18


Re: Plug Gaps

.60 wow i have a stock 289 with a 2 bl. just did the pertronics conversion with there flame thrower 40,000 coil I was thinking of going up to .45 but, .60 really???

Chris

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2/05/2020 9:17 AM  #19


Re: Plug Gaps

Cab4word67 wrote:

.60 wow i have a stock 289 with a 2 bl. just did the pertronics conversion with there flame thrower 40,000 coil I was thinking of going up to .45 but, .60 really???


I've tried wider gaps, indexing, high end plugs and cheap ones at our local 1/8 mile track one sunday afternoon. The butt dyno didn't feel anything or did the timeslips much. The only thing I did notice a few weeks later, was the cheap Champion plug blew the center out, and part of it ended  up in a different cylinder.
Chris

 

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2/05/2020 1:44 PM  #20


Re: Plug Gaps

FYI going up in plug gap can effectively retard timing a couple of degrees.


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2/06/2020 4:24 AM  #21


Re: Plug Gaps

Rudi wrote:

FYI going up in plug gap can effectively retard timing a couple of degrees.

Interesting to know...
I have to say that my car seems to be burning the fuel better since I reset all the plug gaps.
 


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